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    Hmmm... I notice VST support is listed as only available on PC. :'( Does this mean that Cubase 4 users on Mac will not be able to use Ensemble??? ugh... I hope I misread this. --Leo
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    VSL made a mistake on this one first time round. I'm sure that won't happen again, and Mac VST users will be next in line (together with PC RTAS?),

    DG
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    What about the X-fade option ? any improvement ? [A]

    I mean, we'll we have a solution for the "50% chorus bug" ?
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    It's not a bug, it's a feature. And no, I doubt it.....

    DG
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi,

    VST for OSX will be available for the Vienna Ensemble, too.

    RTAS for PC is not a priority at the moment, it may follow later on.

    Best,

    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    @SyQuEsT said:

    What about the X-fade option ? any improvement ?

     

    I mean, we'll we have a solution for the "50% chorus bug" ?

    Well, it's pretty much impossible to 'solve' the "50% chorus bug" when you're using direct sample playback. It's possible with some form of resynthesis, but VSL has stated their position on that: they're only interested in using pure, untouched samples. They may be able to devise a better workaround than the straight x-fade, but it's a huge challenge... I mean, they already have the "dynamics" samples, so it could just be a matter of figuring out an intuitive, realtime way of using those(??). Mind you, the other thing that I've hardly seen mentioned in this thread is the fact that they explicitly mention "version 2.0" of the Vienna Instruments on the VE "teaser" page. So, Vienna Instruments 2.0 is on it's way as well. We'll just have to wait and see what improvements that holds! Maybe they'll have a convolution-based x-fader. (But then you'd have to accept considerably higher CPU usage for each instance...) --J.
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    Actually Herb did say (rather cryptically) that they had solved it, but that current computers would only be able to run about 2 instances at a time. If that is true, then I would be quite happy to accept an offline, high quality render in order to use this feature. It is the one feature in VI that wastes the most time for me. Of course, this wouldn't help any DAW users where mixdowns have to happen in real time. Serves them right for using lame software. [:D]

    DG
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    "Solved it" using raw samples? That's kind of amazing, actually. But I suppose it's probably possible... (not sure how you'd do it, mind you... but I guess that's why I don't work at VSL). ;-) --J.
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    I can't remember, what exactly did I say?

    However, Vienna Instruments remains to be a sample player. No synthesis or similiar stuff.

    best

    Herb
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    @herb said:

    However, Vienna Instruments remains to be a sample player. No synthesis or similiar stuff.

    Good answer [Y][:)]
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    @herb said:

    I can't remember, what exactly did I say?

    Vitamin B...
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    Herb's statement is one of artistic principle above everything else - that the purity of samples is paramount. And someone jimmyjacking around with waveforms can go elsewhere. [H]

    BTW - crossfade phasing is a non-issue with VSL.  If you have a bee in your bonnet concerning this use any one of the massive number of dynamic samples available. That is why they were recorded.
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    well, nevertheless - in their tutorial videos the show off dynamic crossfades - and some of them sound - at least to my ears - totally unmusical, faked, scary - and I do not consider myself to be a purist or anything. I think time stretching and formant shifting would be a great addition to the sample player - Roland and Creamware (STS5000) already showed that time-manipulation and such can be done with great quality. This would help the vibrato expressiveness a lot. With Kontakt we had at least (soundwise) limited possibilities available. not with the VI yet, but planning to transfer slowly .... best
  • H
    H

    Roland and Creamware's time stretching applications are non streaming sampling systems I guess?

    best

    Herb
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    William, I agree that there are many alternatives to velocity xFade, but it is such a good feature that I really would love to be able to use it on all instruments. The more keyswitching that I have to do the more I hate programming. Yes, I'm lazy, but my ideal is to be able to play these wonderful virtual instruments as much as possible in real time, and not to have to patch things together.

    DG
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    you guess right. :) But as it is even easier to play samples from RAM and one most often does not need to time stretch all samples real-time I do not see that it would not be possible to achieve. best
  • P
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    Could we get some more details on how this interfaces with the sequencer (MIDI, or some other method) and the audio outputs?  Pretty please?? :)
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    This is kind of OT, but kind of not... While I eagerly await the VE, I'm setting up my 8GB slave machine to run V-Stack and Bidule together. It basically works, but there's a strange thing happening with memory, which I'm sure someone better on Windows than myself can help solve. I load 2.2-ish GB into Bidule and all's well. I start loading up patches in V-Stack and they load up with no problems. My card (RME) is happy, as long as I keep the output separated, and all seems fine. However, going into the Task Manager, I notice that Bidule has seemingly dumped its memory. When I go to play some of the instruments in Bidule, they play, but with lots of crackles. Slowly, the memory in Bidule (Task Manager) starts to rise. So, I'm guessing the system paged out Bidule's memory when I started loading into V-Stack, but how can I prevent this? Is it a VM setting?
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    jbm - not sure about your problem - sorry. However, thinking through the new Vienna Ensemble stuff I sure hope that it fully supports automation (e.g. volume/pan) etc from the host DAW. I can't see why it wouldn't but if my memory serves me correctly VStack (when hosted remotely and using Midi Over LAN) wouldn't pick up any automation data at all. Tim
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    yeah, automation should certainly be supported. I can't imagine it won't, somehow... Anyway, I boldly set my VM to "No page file", and so far it seems to be holding Bidule's memory while V-Stack loads. Hopefully it won't hit the system max and explode... ;-)