Thanks Herb. I will do so. I listened to the demos, but I did not load them in as midi files, fxp files. I assume that will help.

[b]Also, is there a tutorial and sample midi file for the CELLO?[/b]
But to be honest, while some samples sound great, would you not admit that some samples in this collection are noisy? Maybe it serves some sort of layering purpose.

I would love to turn around on all this. When I listened to the demos I was very impressed.

By the way, I was naiive. I did not know that I have to give credit to Vienna Symphonic Library anytime I use this $1000 license on one of my creations after I learn how to use your product. It is interesting how that is never the in the project descriptions.

And if you do not like it, you cannot resell it. So buyer beware. Check it all out before you buy.

This is really my fault.

@herb said:

Hi Deswind,

did you look at our demopage of the solostrings?

http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/67/4587/4588.vsl

You'll find there 27 solostring demos.
Many of the demos offer tutorial files, including midifiles and fxp files.
So you can load the demos into your sequenzer and study which articulations are used and how they sound.
Maybe this is helpful for you to get started?

best
Herb

At what price for all that: Orch 1 and 2 and Appasionata?

It cannot be resold? Correct?

You must give credit to Vienna Symphonic Library on any CD that uses it even on part of the CD and part of a song? Correct?

I wish they would put this kind of information in PRODUCT DESCRIPTIONS just like they want us to put it in our CD descriptions.

If I am wrong about these assumptions, please advise.

Doesn't mean this stuff is not great, but people should check it out carefully and know the parameters of what they are paying $$ for.

And I do not mean to single out Vienna, there are probably plenty of others that make sure this is not part of the major marketing material.

@JWL said:

Interesting question--

Orch Strings 1/2 and Appassionata Strings would be the top picks, I'd imagine.

@deswind said:

At what price for all that: Orch 1 and 2 and Appasionata?

Appassionata:
http://www.ilio.com/vienna/instrumentsII/appa/index.html

Orchestral Strings I:
http://www.ilio.com/vienna/instruments/orchstrings1/index.html

Orchestral Strings II:
http://www.ilio.com/vienna/instruments/orchstrings2/index.html

Prices are USD-- not sure where you're located.

You may also want to cheeck here if you're in the UK:
http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/?keyword=vsl&Search=Go&page=shop%2Fsearch_results&manufacturer_id=0

and here for continental EU:
http://www.bestservice.de[list=][/list]

@Another User said:

And if you do not like it, you cannot resell it. So buyer beware. Check it all out before you buy.

This is really my fault.

I had wondered about this recently. It seems to me that, with hardware/dongle protection, it should now be possible to sell your VI collection, if you're not using it enough to justify the cost. I could understand with the standard sample libraries, but with hardware protection, the VI seems to be kind of a different beast.

I don't particularly care, though. There's no competition for the VIs anyway, so I'm not bothered about being "stuck" with them! Like being "stuck" with Cate Blanchett -- not too painful.

J.

Actually, i thought that we didn't have to credit VSL (or another library) in a commercial product, although now that I think about it that makes sense and seems fair.

So it would be no problem to you or others if you had to credit every sample in every keyboard and program? I personally think it is ok, but I think it is a fair business practice to put it in the business description. There are some companies where you DO NOT have to credit them.

I also question the legality of it, if you only find out about this requirement AFTER you have paid for the product and it is delivered to you. Who really wants to go through the hassle of a return.

Maybe someone From Vienna can clarify all this. (1) Is there such a requirement and (2) how does the customer get to know about it BEFORE money is taken off of their credit card from a dealer and the item and is shipped?


I really do not want to be the fly in the ointment. I think new practices could help sales. I would be much more willing to spend $3000 or more on samples if I knew after some projects I could sell the one license (even for a processing fee) to someone else.

Also, if I list Vienna Symph on the CD, how does someone distinguish those from other string samples on the CD? In some ways that could hurt Vienna. Once again, maybe someone at Vienna can clear this up.

THANKS very much. I am glad their are a lot of happy users.

@Banquo said:

Actually, i thought that we didn't have to credit VSL (or another library) in a commercial product, although now that I think about it that makes sense and seems fair.

Actually, since the new Vi's seem more piracy-proof than their competitors, I'm not sure why they couldn't (legally) be resold. There's probably a reason I'm not thinking of. With Giga samples obviously you could just keep the samples and sell the Dvd on again and THAT would be wrong, but with dongle-based software you need the dongle to start it up, so you would have to sell that too...


Hang on, I'm assuming that the info on these dongles can't be copied onto, like, 20 similiar dongles and distributed [*-)]

The license on each key can only be "copied" using the Syncrosoft LCC -- and even then it's not copied, it's *moved*. The system is pretty damn tight, so I'm not sure why you couldn't sell a collection with the dongle. Again, I don't personally care, but I'm still not sure why.

As far as the credit thing goes, clarification would be great. I don't even see how it's going to be practical to credit VSL for certain projects... quite odd and confusing. Almost sounds like fiction. But I suppose truth is stranger than fiction. Or so they say.

J.

Thanks for your response. There seem to be MANY satisfied customers. But these questions could use clarification. I do not want to get into the legalities of these issues. I would rather hear from a Vienna person on this board what the answers are first. Maybe it is all more favorable than I think.

I cannot imagine why they would want their credit on a CD that uses a Vienna cello for instance and has a tone of products from others on the CD, perhaps even inferior products. This could actually hurt Vienna as people think the inferior strings on the CD is theirs along with the actually Vienna sample.

@jbm said:

The license on each key can only be "copied" using the Syncrosoft LCC -- and even then it's not copied, it's *moved*. The system is pretty damn tight, so I'm not sure why you couldn't sell a collection with the dongle. Again, I don't personally care, but I'm still not sure why.

As far as the credit thing goes, clarification would be great. I don't even see how it's going to be practical to credit VSL for certain projects... quite odd and confusing. Almost sounds like fiction. But I suppose truth is stranger than fiction. Or so they say.

J.

Hold the phone: ... What if, like many of us, you have multiple computers and want to run the same thing VI off both at the same time? E.g. solo strings on 2 computers, reverb off a third?

I'm sure this is all explained in a thread or pdf somewhere and I just wasn't payign attention that day... could a mod [or anyone] point me in the right direction? [:D]

*clear my throat* - in the footer of evey page on the vsl website there is a link tems of license and AFAIK there is a seal on each DVD which asks you to agree to the terms of license.
furthermore each installer present them and you have to agree before you can continue.
in fact the license is not very different from other sample libraries (except those publisched under the creative common license maybe)
christian

From the License:

Do I have to credit this disc if I use it on a recording?

With your purchase, you agree to use the following wording in any credits or liner notes accompanying the music recording, be it a music CD, cassette, or soundtrack compilation: "Orchestral samples included in this recording from the Vienna Symphonic Library". Screen credit for film and television use is not required.

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That's cool, just wanted to make sure I knew!
Thanks Christian!

My other question: How does one go about using an individual VI on multiple computers at home? Can one buy a side license like with the Horizon series? I understand if it's not possible to.

Okay, sorry cm. I should have just found it a re-read it.

You need to provide credit somewhere on a commercial product, "be it a music CD, cassette, or soundtrack compilation: "Orchestral samples included in this recording from the Vienna Symphonic Library"."
That's fine, and not terribly surprising.

"Screen credit for film and television use is not required."

I assume this also fills in all those myseterious, slip-between-the-cracks projects like audio used on websites, in the background of podcasts, or other service-oriented applications. But what I wonder about is a cue sold through a music library? The library is selling the cue, and only paying the composer/VSL-user a royalty. How do we credit the library in that case? Do we need to?

Any clarification on something like this, cm? I mean, if I sell a cue to a music library, or license it through a library, I may not know precisely where the library's customer will use it.

J.

@Another User said:

This would be good in bold type, as it seems quite unusual to me.

hehe... I'm a total goofball. It IS in bold type! [:O]ops:

J.

Where is this found at the time of purchasing from a dealer and having it shipped to you? Is it in the promotional materials? Or do you find out AFTER you already bought it? And once again, what sense does this make if I have Miroslav strings and others on the same CD?

@Banquo said:

From the License:

Do I have to credit this disc if I use it on a recording?

With your purchase, you agree to use the following wording in any credits or liner notes accompanying the music recording, be it a music CD, cassette, or soundtrack compilation: "Orchestral samples included in this recording from the Vienna Symphonic Library". Screen credit for film and television use is not required.

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That's cool, just wanted to make sure I knew!
Thanks Christian!

My other question: How does one go about using an individual VI on multiple computers at home? Can one buy a side license like with the Horizon series? I understand if it's not possible to.

If you want to use a VI Collection on more than one computer at a time you have to buy a second copy at full price. However, in special circumstances it may be possible to get a time limited "other" copy from VSL. I would suggest that if this is what you need you get in touch with the powers that be at VSL directly and see what they will offer you.

DG

Deswind, the Terms of License can be found on our website and you agree to them by installing and clicking "accept".

As for crediting VSL, you could also read it as this recommendation: If it's easy for you (e.g., in the liner notes of a CD), we're happy getting credited. If it's not easy or not possible (e.g., movie, game, audio on websites, tracks for music libraries), there's no credit nesessary.

Cheers, Martin

In a perfect world they would be agreed to upon purchase. That makes it much easier for the consumer to know what they are getting.

BUT I am done whining (yeah!)

So back to the original thread - what would you recommend as the next best purchase to go with solo strings?

@Martin said:

Deswind, the Terms of License can be found on our website and you agree to them by installing and clicking "accept".


Cheers, Martin