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  • First full Symphonic Cube demo online

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    Guy Bacos sent us a wonderfull demo using extensively all ten collections of the Symphonic Cube:

    Second Age of Krypton
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4884


    and something completely different,
    Beat Kaufmann arranged three different versions of a Cantilena by Willem DeFesch:

    Alto flute
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4885

    English horn 1
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4886

    English horn 2
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4887

    thanks a lot Guy and Beat
    Herb
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    Fist of all, a big THANK YOU to you all for these demos, and for your endless generosity.

    Guy's composition was so immersive, that I couldn't focus on the fact that it was VI. Maybe that's what the Cube is supposed to do. It's always nice to hear how capable this collection is in terms of selling the listener. There were a couple of spots I dare mention where the reverb took center stage and pulled me away from the musical adventure momentarily, but I'm not convinced that this is necessarily a problem. I'll listen to this several more times. But I must say, the track pulled me in from the start and held me throughout. What a tremendous accomplishment!! Bravo.

    Beat-- I always admire your taste and savvy in earlier musical styles. Very nicely done and a joy to hear the variations. I'm curious: did you totally reprogram the notes and keyswitches for each take, or were you able to just swap out the instruments? If so, can you tell us anything about the adjustments you made for each version?

    Bravo, and thanks again.
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    I've just added another demo by Beat Kaufmann:

    Sample March
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4888

    As usual Beat supported us with detailed tutorial files for this demo.

    thanks a lot Beat
    Herb
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    @JWL said:

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    I'm curious: did you totally reprogram the notes and keyswitches for each take, or were you able to just swap out the instruments? If so, can you tell us anything about the adjustments you made for each version?

    Hi JWL
    First of all: Thank you for your praising words [;)]

    For nearly instrument I put VI presets together. They all have the same construction.
    As an example: A staccato always needs the keyswitches C0/C#1.
    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/tipspcmusic/vibasicpresets/index.php
    So I haden't to reprogram the notes totaly. Nevertheless I had some works to do because
    the stac, the détaché short and the détaché long are completely different between these
    three instruments. This is not a critism but a fact. There also where a few volume level
    adjustments. To sum up one can say that the high "VI-sample standard level" allows us
    to exchange instruments without lots of adjustments > Bravo VSL-team!

    Best,
    Beat
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    I am in awe of you guys.

    I don't have anything specific to add here other than additional thanks for the dedication and inspiration... wow.
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    Thanks JWL! If you want I'll let you in on a couple of tricks, Emm! well maybe better through PM might be easier. [[;)]]
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    Guy

    I'd be interested in understanding how you work to get that sound. e.g. number of PCs/MACs etc - although your sig says just 1 G5! How much of the RAMSave feature did you use? Also what's your composing process? Part at a time, sections? Just tweak until you get something good?

    Any information much appreciated

    Cheers

    Tim
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    Wow...I just listened to Krypton...and haven't even moved past yet. I just spent the weekend doing my first full orchestral mockup with VI...until this point, I've been tinkering and using small ensembles with limited success...and ran into a couple of walls this weekend with the full orchestral project. ...I really suck at this! and this demo, as well as these others that I'm looking forward to hearing, are just impressive. How do you do it???? (have a few ideas, but that doesn't stop me from sucking at my mock-ups). Wow...

    Josh

    PS...I'm wondering...just HOW limited am I at this point with the standard library that I'm using (I know...asking if I really need to buy the extended library on VSL's forum seems rediculous, but that's not what I'm getting at...)...this library is amazing, and I KNOW that I should (if I plan on continuing this kind of work) purchase the extended library, but I'm trying to figure out if I'm getting limited results at this point more because I'm not using the library correctly, or more because I haven't purchased the patches that I need to really get the results I'm looking for...
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    @JJRoach said:

    Wow...I just listened to Krypton...and haven't even moved past yet. I just spent the weekend doing my first full orchestral mockup with VI...until this point, I've been tinkering and using small ensembles with limited success...and ran into a couple of walls this weekend with the full orchestral project. ...I really suck at this! and this demo, as well as these others that I'm looking forward to hearing, are just impressive. How do you do it???? (have a few ideas, but that doesn't stop me from sucking at my mock-ups). Wow...

    Josh

    PS...I'm wondering...just HOW limited am I at this point with the standard library that I'm using (I know...asking if I really need to buy the extended library on VSL's forum seems rediculous, but that's not what I'm getting at...)...this library is amazing, and I KNOW that I should (if I plan on continuing this kind of work) purchase the extended library, but I'm trying to figure out if I'm getting limited results at this point more because I'm not using the library correctly, or more because I haven't purchased the patches that I need to really get the results I'm looking for...


    Josh-- LOL!! I don't laugh *at* you. I cry *with* you.

    I'll be working for days on something with VI and think I've gotten to "the next level". Then I'll hear one of these demos in mp3, no less, and it usually causes me to shut down my computer for the rest of the day! I mean, after hearing 'Krypton' I 'bout had to change my diaper!!

    The compositions are one thing. But the beauty of the space created for these mixes is at least as enjoyable. The quality of the sound would make even a bad piece sound good.

    It's nice to know that such mixes ARE possible-- and that they can make a great piece sound even better.
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    [:)] Thanks for the comments JWL - much appreciated.

    Miklos.
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    Wonderful Guy (haven't gotten to Beat's yet but I am sure it will be wonderful as usual).

    Guy - quick question. How did you achieve those string runs about 60-70% the way to the end. They are fabulous. I was thinking 'bits' of the runs included but then I don't know. Please let us know (the brass runs at the end as well)

    Just fantastic use of VSL and orchestration.

    Rob


    (Just took a listen - Beat - wonderful. Personally, just love the tone and playability of the EH2.)
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    Nice work Guy. It's all making me rather sad that I can't afford the VI .. boo hoo! .. but quite jubilant at the same time cos it sounds really cool.

    Ahh, someday!!

    Just say the word and I'll put this on the Podcast!
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    Guy and Beat:

    Fantastic! Very well written, performed, and mixed. Guy-I was wondering if you were mixing each intrument in stereo or mono?

    Thanks,

    Tom
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    We've added another two demos produced by Beat Kaufmann

    Canzon per sonare No1 by Giovanni Gabrieli
    featuring Brass II instruments

    Sonata in G fĂŒr Piccoloflöte by Willem deFesch
    featuring the piccolo flute

    thanks a lot Beat
    Herb
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    Thanks guys!! [:D]

    Several questions have been asked about the "2nd Age of Krypton" here and through PM, in a later post I'll answer these questions how I can, and hopefully Miklos will fill in regarding the mix.
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    To make the service complete - here are the direct links...

    Sonata in G for Piccolo Flute by Willem deFesch
    featuring the piccolo flute
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4889

    Canzon per sonare No1 by Giovanni Gabrieli
    featuring Brass II instruments
    http://www.vsl.co.at/Player2.aspx?Lang=13&DemoId=4890

    Have fun
    Beat Kaufmann

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    PS
    Hey - I learnd to play the Piccolo Flute within 6 hours that way.
    Others need lots of years for that.
    Who made this possible for me? > Herb and Co.
    Yet again - Thanks a lot for this nice instruments!
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Thanks Guy for shedding some light on your programming - really just well done!!!


    Rob
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    Josh-- LOL!! I don't laugh *at* you. I cry *with* you.

    I'll be working for days on something with VI and think I've gotten to "the next level". Then I'll hear one of these demos in mp3, no less, and it usually causes me to shut down my computer for the rest of the day! I mean, after hearing 'Krypton' I 'bout had to change my diaper!!

    The compositions are one thing. But the beauty of the space created for these mixes is at least as enjoyable. The quality of the sound would make even a bad piece sound good.

    It's nice to know that such mixes ARE possible-- and that they can make a great piece sound even better.[/quote]

    JWL,

    thanks for your appreciation [:)]...

    Beat,

    Thanks so much for putting the time into your webpage...I've just briefly looked at it, but I can't wait to study this stuff. It's really great to have you, and your colleagues be so generous with your hard-earned knowledge. I can't wait to read more about how you've set up the instruments.

    Josh
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    @JJRoach said:

    Beat,
    Thanks so much for putting the time into your webpage...I've just briefly looked at it, but I can't wait to study this stuff. It's really great to have you, and your colleagues be so generous with your hard-earned knowledge. I can't wait to read more about how you've set up the instruments.
    Josh

    Unfortunately some tutorials are not made for the new VI instruments. But nevertheless you will find some tips in using samples or making music with samples

    Have fun and success!

    Beat
    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
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    Beat,

    One more thank you for all you do!!!!


    Just a quick question from your site.


    http://www.beat-kaufmann.com/images/hintergrunddienst.gif

    On this setting (sorry - don't speak your language [:O]ops: ) but I assume I set the 'processor scheduling' to background services. Wouldn't it be better for 'Programs'?

    Also - what do you recommend for a 3 GB switch machine to have the "Virtual Memory" set to?

    Mine is at 2046 mb (It actually 'recommends' that I have it at 4990 mb). I read somewhere to not have any virtual memory and other places that is should be 1.5 x the ram installed (in this computer it is 4 MB)

    Thanks for your help on this Beat.


    Rob