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    tele, moving from a PRO module to the respective VI standard collection is not an upgrade (i've tried to explain this in detail in other threads).
    moving from a PRO module to the respective VI full collection _is_ an upgrade and significant discounts apply.
    christian
    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    tele, moving from a PRO module to the respective VI standard collection is not an upgrade (i've tried to explain this in detail in other threads).
    moving from a PRO module to the respective VI full collection _is_ an upgrade and significant discounts apply.
    christian


    I understand your communication, but it looks like we disagree.. [;)]
    The VI Standard Edition also has Upgrade aspects, also talking about the software/engine part. Are there no samples in the Standard Edition that are part of the horizon series, now? (I know it's 24 bit now)
    I am a user of Chamber Strings Horizon series, the VI Complete edition is too much for my purpose. I would need a (let's call it) sidegrade to the VI Standard edition.
    That surely is possible and makes sense from a business viewpoint, for those who are my tape of target group. I don't need all the articulations of the Extented Edition. There is no appropriate path to walk on for me.

    tele
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    @cm said:

    tele, moving from a PRO module to the respective VI standard collection is not an upgrade (i've tried to explain this in detail in other threads).


    Hard to find it in all those threads. Could you post a link to your post?

    tele
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    @cm said:

    moving from a PRO module to the respective VI standard collection is not an upgrade


    Wow. I'm trying to understand the logic behind that.
    Let me extrapolate your reasoning.
    If, as you say, there is no link between pro edition and the standard cube VI. Then I don't see why there would have to be a link between pro edition and extended Cube VI either. This would mean that the VIP upgrade path on the Cube (let alone the extended Cube) doesn't make any sense at all..
    ... absurd.

    It 's quite obvious that there IS a direct link between pro edition and Standart Cube. Simply you're not willing to honor the simplicity of that fact.

    -Make us pay for the 24bit
    -Make us Pay for the VI programming etc
    -Make us pay for the new samples.

    But don't make us pay full price on the standard Cube.

    Things don't connect here...
    It's pretty sad.
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    @Another User said:

    If, as you say, there is no link between pro edition and the standard cube VI. Then I don't see why there would have to be a link between pro edition and extended Cube VI either.


    Excellent point!

    If this is not an upgrade, are they saying this is an entirely new library? So none of the sample content from the Pro Editions is being re-used? Yeah, sure!

    And I've got an ADAT I'd like to sell you for 5K too!

    They're right--it's not an upgrade. It's a side-grade for Pro users, with a new interface and added content. And it should be priced accordingly.
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    I couldn't agree more Charl!
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    @cm said:

    tele, moving from a PRO module to the respective VI standard collection is not an upgrade (i've tried to explain this in detail in other threads).


    That's the most infuriating statement yet and I fear its fuel on an already heated fire.

    It would be true if the VI used all new samples.
    But it uses samples I already OWN in the pro edition.

    Its only "not an upgrade" because you decided its not.

    IT IS and upgrade. Period. End of story.
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    @edhamilton said:

    But it uses samples I already OWN in the pro edition.

    Its only "not an upgrade" because you decided its not.

    IT IS and upgrade. Period. End of story.


    You don't own any samples; you have a licence to use them. You can still use them. What you want is a free side-grade to be able to use them in a new sample player. There are samples in Standard that you have no licence to use, hence you pay for it. Period. End of story.

    DG
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    @edhamilton said:


    IT IS and upgrade.

    What you want is a free side-grade ...
    DG

    He did not mention the word free.

    tele
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    IT IS and upgrade.

    What you want is a free side-grade ...
    DG

    He did not mention the word free.

    tele

    He didn't have to. The global warming emissions over the last two days about this are going to warm the planet a degree or two, and we're going over the same ground again and again, as if the hard core of detractors can somehow bludgeon the rest of us and VSL into accepting their point of view. Say it as many times as you like, i'll bet there are plenty who are queuing up to part with their money, and cut their worktime considerably. And i'm sure there will be plenty like me who will buy one instrument at a time, as we can afford it, becuase we think it's a good deal for the worlds best sample library. I think it's time to accept that you are a minority, that the discussion about the product not the price has highlighted some truly worthy elements of the cube, and very rarely have any of you mentioned the real strengths of the package contained in the VI. I for one will enjoy loading multiarticulations into one track, playing, Romtimising, and doing the next one without having to sort out 15 or twenty tracks at a time.

    And much of the belligerent accusation the minority hard core has used is bordering on immoral with statements akin to accusing VSL of pulling a scam, or ripping off their customers. It's complete rubbish, and bloody distasteful.

    How quickly some people can so willingly descend into savagery.

    None of you said this when you bought previous VSL products. You sat at home or in the studio, loaded them up, and drooled over the quality of the sounds, and the thought of even more lifelike work, showing off to your mates because you had 'VSL", the very best.
    Now that VSL have taken another big step forward in a new direction, you've decided you can't keep up, and want the company to hold your hand, and give you anything for nothing, because you're 'loyal.'
    Well, the rest of us have seen precious little of that loyalty and positive input to the company over the last few days, and instead of presenting your points in a civilised manner, you've gone into pack mode, threatening all sorts of retribution if you don't get your own way. Pretty ungrateful stuff for all the upgrades, freebies, and great service in the past.

    Same thing happens when children throw their teddies out of the pram.

    Time to grow up and behave like civilised adults.

    Alex.
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    @hermitage59 said:

    ...statements akin to accusing VSL of pulling a scam, or ripping off their customers. It's complete rubbish, and bloody distasteful.
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    Alex.

    I agree that we should stick to an appropriate choice of words.
    You will not find a post from me using theese or similar words.
    You replied to my post. Are you saying I wrote something that deserves your descrption with words like
    - bloody distasteful
    - ungrateful stuff
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    tele