Sorry, you are absolutely right. I did not mean to imply that if you cant afford VSL, you arent a professional. I was thinking too narrowly about VSL's target audience, which are the people you mention who are scoring the next XBOX game or similar. They can, I dare say, comfortably afford it.
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Hey, quoting me while I was trimming my post.. fast little bugger aren't ya? [:D]
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@magates said:
I'll tell you what I'll buy it if you throw in the gigs to pay for it as well... no problems
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Anyway, regarding fair or not. Personaly I need to see what new sample content we get, before I can decide if I find it fair. I'm increasingly getting the feeling that the primary ingredience of this new version is the VI and the 24bit samples. If thats the case I find the price very hard to justify... It must be chuck full of new exciting material. I hope we can see really soon what the new material consists of...
Horizon Solostrings is like 29gb, and the extended Solostrings is 38 (diden't I read that somewhere?). But that does not tell us a great deal since the VI solostrings are 24bit, so obviously bigger in size.
I would really like to see a clearly organised chart of whats new in the extrended VI version of the varrious collections. Soon?
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Its a tough call who the $12000 is aimed at. The way how most prof. composers work is in a template, the "get what you need when you need it" approach is not practical...it works when you are writing your score out first and then realize it with the library because you know exactly what you need and what you don't need. Still, loading in everything will take more time than we mostly have.
So in order to make this new library really work, you probably need 2-4 dedicated machines (I saw in the videodemo that the VA he was showing us used up 450MB of RAM !! that's one instrument only...) ...setup up a template with all the possible articulations and add them to your template. There is your VSL Orchestra, premixed, ready to rock...no loading time (which is another issue when using it on one machine...you switch between cues and have to load up the entire library again, at least with EXS shared samples stay in memory so loading time is reduced)
So the total cost for the VI + Computers + Audiointerfaces etc...is very high, I don't want to speculate but somewhere in 20G's range...
Only a composer who works on a very highprofile (and high paying) project can afford something like that...BUT most of those projects will probably record a real orchestra (a lot of XBOX games have real orchestras) so the composer doesn't need to deliver a mockup that contains every detail of the orchestra (in a VSL sense) but a mockup to show his concept of the music to the director.
Mockups have to be great (and a lot better than 10 years ago) nowadays but you can accomplish that with ProEdition/SISS/EWest other librarys...
So I don't know,...of course its not as black and white but in a nutshell...
Well, I am curious to hear the new stuff anyways...I always had my criticism about the slightly "harsh" sound of the library (especially strings). The phasing sound of the velocity layer of the Oboe in the VI velfade Demo/Video is mindboggling...as Peter goes thru each layer it sounds like a different oboe playing and partially 2 oboes playing in between....has anybody noticed that ? Not so great! Not very real sounding...I would chose one layer with a pure volume fade over that sound...
Although, I have to give the VSL team props ...a step into the future, somebody had to do the first step...others will follow. It's a beginning and will be wonderful in a few years when computers are powerful enough to load up an entire Orchestral pallette in one session.
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@Beaswax said:
Funny, when I say what you guys have been saying, people get upset. It's pretty expensive even as a VIP member!!
Thats because of a) the way you say it b) Most, if not all your 20 posts have been complaining. Thats like 100%. In contrast others have maybe 95% of praising, helping and discussing this library.
So you might indeed find it funny - but it is in no way strange.
Have a nice day [:)]
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The Standard Library contains much of the Pro Edition sounds and some new stuff,
while the Extended Library includes all of the Pro Edition - and lots of new stuff.
However, many of the existing articulations were completely redesigned to adapt
them to the improved algorithms of the Vienna Instruments software.
"The Standard Library contains much of the Pro Edition sounds"and that why I consider it fair to offer an upgrade patch to the Standard Edition Vienna Instruments.
The VSL offer is very fair to those who intend to get the Complete editions, though.
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