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Very interesting discussions. Brainstorming often creates new ideas and a help to others getting familiar with whats normal. Would'n it be nice if One day VSL will make a MIDI box with multiple 16 chanells of outputs, called a Model, and all problems are over. As of the present, you cannot find any library or model that will stand up to SC. The discussion about reverb is scaled to what kind of music you are producing. Classical piano is so dynamic, that you cannot apply any effects to it. It uses all of the dynamics from 0 - 127. Any effects added will kill the dynamics. hence forth the Orchestral genre. It also uses all of the dynamics, and you now are using all of the instruments man has to offer on top of it. therefore, if you start with any reverb in the patch, then you have taken all of your dynamics or air for creating music. classical mainly. So far because of limited ram usage and computer power. VSL has been exposed justifiably with small ensambles. and the results are stunning. I now can hear the real players playing off notes. where before one was used to it. Using VSL is perfect tune on every instrument especially the string instruments which has no frets. Back to the ram usage and instrument mangment. It appears that this new upgrade not only gives 24 bit. But also multiple instruments usage which ofsets the Ram and power problem. I'm very reluctant in spending money, but is there really anybody else offering it all.
The next time I'm getting a chance on some money. i know exactly what to spend it on. By the way, for all you dick heads out there,You've got nothing on me. I'm the wackiest master of them all, from the old day's. I'm having a gerritol party today before I write. Nothing like the olden day's.
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Herb's attitude rocks ! Like I said a few pages back, I jumped on the VSL because your company/team rules and is worth investing in...and the products you have are great.
None of my criticism was ever meant to be utterly negative or bitter or so but constructive and these posts shouldn't be take so personal and literal...and herb knows. He has helped (and Paul and Dietz) me out via Email plenty of times ...always fast. The best tech support so far...I can recommend anybody to jump on the train of VSL...
About the price:
I have said before that the price is steep...I don't mean that like...its not worth it...I mean it as in - its steep for me at this moment. I can't spend another Dollar on Orchestral sounds as there are other expenses as a composer/Studio owner...and I have been in upgrade Hell...Protools 7, Logic 7.1, Live 5 ...new G5...and I am remodeling my studio into surround - plain and simple I am broke fairly soon...
Of course budgets are in general coming down, so I would be happy if the VSL guys would be a hair cheaper but hey, that's what my clients say about me...so..I shut up...and you charge what you can charge. Also, every paying customer is paying for some fu&*head who steals it (cracked shit) - I get highly pissed when I go to other composers studios and they have all the stuff I payed thousands of dollars for - for free !! BTW, read Dietz article on that in Virtual Instrument, VERY GOOD !!
I am very happy with my VSL but I am also happy with my Sonic Implants Library - it complements the VSL very well - Also, since the question arose of what I use...I do use a well known composers private library that I can't mention here...but I say this much, it was recorded in London...and I learned a lot about what is effective in sampling once I had my hands on this one...and went like..."wow, it so small (in memory) and does all that ?" - that's how Klaus Badelt can get away with using one G5.
and about what do I use for small sounding stuff...well, so far in my carreer the feedback I have been getting was "bigger...bigger...BIGGER..." so I would say I am not in the business of small ensembles...no TV show I have worked on or Movie wanted small sounding Orchestra...so I don't know what I would use. Actually I do know - I would record a very small ensemble....hehe
I think a small ensemble should not sound "small" though from a recording perspective...listen to jeff beals score for "Pollack" - amazing, but it still sounds PHAT and BIG in a small sense...makes sense ?...I think I just confused myself in that last sentence...
Maybe the whole "roomsound" discussion should come to an end ? Yes ? No ?
If the VSL library could just sound a tad warmer (more analog..hehe), less avalon more neve, I would be even more excited...and I don't know if it only has to do with the room...I understand that some people will fight me on this opinion.
..just hit the ..."warm" button...turn it all the way...
BTW, has the sound of VSL changed at all ? I am talking out of my butt , since I haven't heard the plug in, in its full extend.
Again, that Oboe sustain VI Video demo is not so good. Herb, I wouldn't showcase that one. It phases a lot in between and the transition don't seem so smooth.
I know that its very hard on solo instruments to Xfade and not run into phasing...so I understand that its not easy to fix that. I have recorded a few things myself and found that recording drastic changes works better, like ppp that Xfade slowly to fff's or so...I don't know, it worked for me on a flute very well...
I have always criticized the lack of playability of VSL. Well, with VI you have addressed it and its now playable like no other library so you have done what we asked for (and more) and I think its great.
CHEERS !
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whats with the language RK?
Good point on the dynamics. Does anyone else here think that MIDI 0-127 is far too limited dynamic range for playing? We should have 8 times that resolution. Is it just me?
On closer inspection, in fact, the Vienna VI means that INSTEAD of spending $10,000 on a new computer with 16 gigs of ram and waiting for logic to be able to address it, I can buy the VI, get all the sounds, and my EXISTING computer, will in fact be fully utilised, saving me money, and in fact it's like having a new machine (I say this especially if you have a G5 with more than 3 gigs RAM). Well, if you look at it that way, it's completely logical to spend your money on the sounds than a new computer, and in taht instance, VSL deserves our "hard earned cash". But I'm still not gonna buy until 07 ! when I have the surplus funds no more credit card joy rides for me ! I know I know, famous last words....
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O.K., Thor - you give up? I gave up a long time ago. You are either (1) psychotic and institutionalized or (2) joking.
(BTW Herb saying "which negative posts?" encouraged me. I should never be encouraged.)
Recording an entire orchestra?
NOBODY USES AN ENTIRE ORCHESTRA AT ONCE!
You use one instrument, added to another. And they each have varying amounts of reverb or convolution. The room tone they were recorded with disappears if used in a mix with convolution. This is total crap, to say that only the room tone originally recorded with the samples is useable. It is simply bullshit. And worse, it is worthless, because no one can use this crap you're talking about. What good does saying this do? People add reverb to samples every f**king day. So what the hell is your point? That EWQL is superior because they recorded the reverb at the time? It isn't. It is less useable because they did that. Do you understand this principle? I don't think you do.
What you are arguing from - the base you are operating on - is bullshit. You cannot use samples, do recordings, make CDs, make soundtracks, do anything related to sound and music, based upon what you are saying.
Other than that, it's a great concept.
have a nice day! See? I'm trying to be nice and positive. Gets a bit difficult here. When people are deliberately as dysfunctional as possible...
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William...sorry, but that post is simply retarded. Seriously.
If I were you I would put the following phrase in a frame and hang it up over my bed:
"Ignorance is bliss" [:D]
therefore its not worth my time to respond in detail to your insulting nonsense....
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Good luck,
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thor,
Would you explain the exact point you are trying to make?
That samples can only be recorded with reverb?
Is that it? Honestly - answer that right now. No clever bullshit, just answer it.
That previous post wasn't really serious, yes, but I seriously want to know what you are trying to say. I haven't yet figured it out, because it doesn't gel with anything.
I am starting to think you are a plant from EWQLSO. Are you? Designed to undermine people's confidence in dry samples.
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William
You are correct in trying to decifer the salesman from the real issue. Often plants are themselves not aware. Marketing!!!.For Example NBC is owned by the PC computer. If you work for that bunch of people , you automatically are in a sales frenzy for your product. Good serious point to make. I offten get tired of trying to decifer myself.
I hope
I didn't offend NBC. among others to speak of.
Thanks.!
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Perhaps I am being led on by someone who is under corporate mind-control. however, I theorize now he is actually an attempt at corporate sabotage. What else can one assume from such irrational statements?
His imperviousness to arguments that utterly destroy everything he said is quite strange. And he actually seems not to notice things that disintegrate the very ground he stands upon.
One can assume only treachery; or perhaps - I admit it - utter, abyssmal, and wretched stupidity.
Of course I mean this only in a positive, caring way. I wish everyone here only the best of help. Which may include that of a psychiatric nature, of course. Perhaps some de-programming might be in order?
"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."
"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."
"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."
"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."
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"Samples don't need to be recorded with embedded hall reverb..."
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Excellent point Guy!
Mr. Jack Thorrance is right now, at this very moment, writing that quote in many different ways among his pages of frenziedly typewritten sheets. But somehow, he can't believe it. He has to go on with the Madness. Because he is already a part of the Overlook.
(BTW - I am terribly sorry to have mentioned Thor's axe. I meant Thor's HAMMER of course! And polishing it, not sharpening it.)
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Where is the post where I say that SAMPLES HAVE to be recorded with a Hall...?
You can record them however you want to, Sir William ...because for you it won't matter if an Orch is recorded in a great Room or a shitty one...
Please William, learn how to read...because you have missed the point ...the bus has left...
go back to the beginning of the thread and read it...maybe you get it then...
Hey Guy...you warned me, now I believe you....this is nuts !!
I am now a salesguy from EQLS or whatever its called...HAHA !!!
Yes, William...I am trying to sell EWest products - YOU GOT ME !! Shoot....
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Well, no one knows me around here so.. I won't be as blunt as I am usually known for.
I just think there is an important underlying issue here. More important than making music.. more important than the technology behind it.. more important than ANYTHING. Protecting your ego. [8-)] I wont name names, because I don't want to seem like I'm taking sides. it rhymes with Chore though. [:P]
I hear and appreciate what Chore is saying. It's valid, but not absolute. I just think that is more of a personal taste. That's Cool. Personally I tend to agree with uh.. Tilliam. I think the point is simply this.. you have more flexability with dryer samples, than with wet ones. I'd personaly rather have better, more pro sounding samples (vsl).
I do think the that some of vsl's samples could have more POWER. That would be a valid argument. But, this is being addressed with the epic series. Epic strings should be stellar. Anyway.. continue on Chore and Tilliam. I'm baking some tollhouse cookies, and I want to enjoy them while you guys keep ripping each other to shreds. [:D]
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I have just lost respect for this forum, I could of got out of line a few times myself, but some of you are degrading childishly this forum! Can't someone make a point here without others feeling threatened? The person who's name rhymes with core, NEVER initiated any attacks, to anybody, but just very amicably tried to make a point. And when 2 people are going head to head we don't need a third person (no names, but he enjoys rhymes) to take sides by adding provocative crap, that is totally childish. You can't help believing that there are alliances in this forum....
I have been with this forum for a year and I'm beginning to see the real colors of some. I know for a fact that some very bright people have left because of crap like this, if Thor doesn't get any more respect, even though he doesn't need my help, than I'm out.
And this doesn't mean this discussion should end here. The issue is not the topic but the way it's dealt with. Believe it or not, I had warned Thor what would happen if he opened that can of worm, and guess what?
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Thanks Guy for your kind words...if these "members" would have something to say that has anything to do with the subject matter (other than trying to bash on me in order to make themselves feel better) , I would be inclined to respond and engage in a technical/musical discussion between pros who know what they are talking about. But that's not possible with many of the latter posted "Members"
These guys are just not worth the time...
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And just as a tip Kugelmeister: The discussion wasn't about flexibility of dry samples vs wet samples...please, if you want to join in here and add something useful, stop rhyming, go back and read all those other posts...you won't believe how all this got started. And also, don't be scared - you can use my name, you don't have to rhyme. Although, those rhymes where kinda funny...definitely got me smiling benignly.
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