yes, too rigid in metre. I'm jealous of your Opus bundle! enjoy...

I thought this has good ideas in it. It needs to have the space provided by some large hall reverb to go along with the huge sounding brass. That would definitely give it more power and make it less artificial sounding. Also, to have more realistic phrasing - put in some breath marks, or make them more noticeable if you have them already. I'm not sure about the computerized sounds in this specific example, though it is a good concept. Mathis here has done some very interesting things with mixing radically different universes.

I found mixing this monstrous romantic orchestral gesture with absolutely lofi digital sounds very refreshing. Kind of ironic comment to the usage of digital samples.
Is that intended?

you see? This is why I just love Mathis's attitude. "Monstrous romantic orchestral gesture" !! wow! I'm going to write that down. I want to do one of those!

@Another User said:

Kind of ironic comment to the usage of digital samples.
Is that intended?

...sort of. The people in the film have made a bet and play a game woth their lives for money (kinda Roahld Dahl-ish). No motivation is given. Almost like they're just playing a computer game. The 8 bit sounds refer to that aspect.
At the same time, since I previously have only worked with abstract synth sounds, it is a 'funny' or ironic way to enter the orchestral sample world.

And many thanks for your 'monstrous' gesture! Another stimulating comment.

You´re welcome. [[;)]]

Nice track! Great rhythmic energy and a great concept with the hybrid mix of electronics and virtual sonic reality.

I see what people mean by "reverb". More importantly to this listener is the impression that some legato release samples are missing. That would add greatly to the realism of the brass. We've all heard brass players in a small room, but there are believable qualities with VSL that can be appreciated well before the reverb space scaping process begins.

I think weslldeckers is onto something quite valid, musically speaking. I hope he posts his finished mix as well.

Stage 7 is now available on my site. The VSL-demo-instruments have been replaced by their Opus counterparts.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~weslldeckers66/dm_drink_wkrprnt%20F3.mp3

For now... this is it! My system isn't exactly running faultless, causing much frustration and need for reboots.
The mix is not entirely in balance, but sounds much better than the F3-workprint.

Feel free to comment on this F7-workprint. Many thanks!

god, i've never paid so much attention to this kind of piece! I hate to admit it, but the computer noise is starting to grow on me. And I see what JWL means by release trails. That would help. But I didn't mean "reverb", I meant reverb. It also needs honest to goodness reverb, even if it's a small room verb.

I think this is a better version, and I'm appreciating the musical content more. But the brass still is either too fakey, or not fakey enough. The articulation or velocity switches are nice, but they happen too suddenly to be realistic.

but i'm enjoying hearing this develop. nice work!

@Another User said:

And I see what JWL means by release trails. That would help. But I didn't mean "reverb", I meant reverb. It also needs honest to goodness reverb, even if it's a small room verb.

errr... I need some help with this. Not "reverb" but reverb. Release trails - is that the same as the RS (release samples)?

I'm quite frustrated at the moment. Not because of all the comments and suggestions... they are very helpful. I appreciate those...
But with a system that isn't exactly running like it should (Im guessing there may be some problem with the Terratec's firewire connection) and ALL THOSE POSSIBILITIES with Giga and VSL - I'm gonna freak out!

There are lots of things I have to learn. I love learning new things. I learn pretty fast. Only - there's so little time!

I get it when one speaks about missing 'legato' samples. But what do I do with them? The performance-legato instruments do not have all those articulations from the standard instruments.
I used reverb (Gigapulse) on all instruments but the synth (a memory Moog, btw, not a DX11) and I think it helped the track already.
The finetuning, however, is tempering my enthusiasm a bit. I don't like computers. In fact - I HATE THEM! and now I'm spending a great deal of time finding the right way(s) of making this brass sound 'real'...
And rebooting after each time I load a GigaPulse onto a channel isn't fun.


...sorry for this whining... I'm a bit tired and quite dissapointed I can't work faster yet. What I really should do, is go through the forum's archive to find all my answers...

Hello mate, personally I quite like your use of computer sounds, they're well-placed and give the piece some unusual drama..

VSL is a strange beast, it has so much capability and quality, but it's not that easy to use straight out of the box without some perseverance. I should know, I've had the strings for over a year now and have hardly used all those great samples!

I'm sure searching around the forum will help you a bit.

Good luck!