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  • Identical instruments arrangement in two different venues

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    Hello,

    I am using the latest versions of VEP 7 and MIR 3D.

    In VEP 7 I have 2 channels of violins which are represented accordingly in MIR in venue A: on the stage one violin is left and the other one right. So far so good.

    In MIR I add another venue B. I understand that I can move the two violins from venue A to venue B so there one violin again is left, the other right. Okay.

    Now I can compare what venue sounds better but in order to listen again how everything sounds in venue A I again have to move the violins, namely from B to A. But then B is empty.

    What I want to achieve is the following:
    MIR showing two venues A and B that contain identical instruments arrangement so that I can just click on the corresponding venue tab rather than moving them from one venue to another.

    So, specifically:
    Venue A: violin right, violin left
    Venue B: same violin right, same violin left

    I tried to achieve this with presets management but was unable to do so. Is that possible at all and if yes, how exactly?

    Thank you
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    You _could_ do this by creating two Venue Presets*) with the respective Roles and rely on the Auto Apply feature, but actually I would simply duplicate the two violin channels and use the channel selection features of your DAW or hosting app. This would allow for gapless switching. - Hint: Make sure to carefully match gains, as louder is always "better" for the human ear. 😉 ...)

    *) ... then double-click its entrance in the preset browser on the left, or drag-n-drop the preset to the active Venue slot on the right. Maybe this quck'n'dirty screen-cast I created some time ago helps to get the idea accross:

    -> https://youtu.be/Gtjixx17FKE

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • F
    F

    Thank you, Dietz.

    I might be misinterpreting your little YT video but what you show is two have 2 different arrangements (ABCD and DCBA) for 1 identical venue, correct? You kept the venue and only switched the main mic.

    What I would like to achieve is to have 1 identical arrangement (ABCD) for 2 venues. Applying that to your scenario in the YT video: arrangement ABCD in venue "Grosser Saal" and in a second MIR venue tab having arrangement ABCD in venue "Mozartsaal"

    In reality I have more instruments than only two violins but I used that example to keep it simple in describing the scenario. If I were to duplicate all channels, then that would be something that I want to avoid. I would also prefer to keep the DAW out of this as I feel it should be a thing only between VEP and MIR.

    But maybe I have not fully understood your proposal.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @Frankenstein said:
    what you show is two have 2 different arrangements (ABCD and DCBA) for 1 identical venue, correct? You kept the venue and only switched the main mic

    Exactly, but the procedure is the same in your scenario:

    Venue Preset 1: Venue A: Role 1 "violin right", Role 2 "violin left"

    Venue Preset 2: Venue B: Role 1 "violin right", Role 2 "violin left" (of course, their settings can differ from the Roles used in Preset 1!)

    .. that's about it. 😊

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    PS: https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/mir-pro-3d/roles

    😊

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • F
    F

    Thanks again. I'll give it a try tonight. With my previous attempts it was always the case that when I assigned the preset to venue B and automatically loaded venue A.
  • F
    F

    @Dietz said:

    PS: https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/mir-pro-3d/roles


    😊

    Ha, ha ... that chapter wasn't available this morning. Thanks for the quick update.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    You have to create _two_ Venue Presets, saved when you had loaded the two different Venues, then it should work as expected.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    @Frankenstein said:


    @Dietz said:

    PS: https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/mir-pro-3d/roles




    😊


    Ha, ha ... that chapter wasn't available this morning. Thanks for the quick update.

    Errrr ... well, of course it was! 🤔

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • F
    F

    Nope 😜 ... but I found the bug.

    It is only available in the en version of the URL: https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/

    It is not available in the de version of the URL: https://www.vsl.info/de/manuals/
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Oh! That's an oversight of the website team, then! Thanks for pointing it out.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • F
    F

    No problem.

    Talking about the manual: In the MIRacle chapter https://www.vsl.info/de/manuals/mir-pro-3d/miracle it is talked about Density and X-Feed in the text, however, the picture of the plugin doesn't show Density and X-Feed.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @Frankenstein said:

    No problem.


    Talking about the manual: In the MIRacle chapter https://www.vsl.info/de/manuals/mir-pro-3d/miracle it is talked about Density and X-Feed in the text, however, the picture of the plugin doesn't show Density and X-Feed.

    That's a version issue - text is about legacy MIRacle that came with Vienna MIR Pro, screenshot is from the completely new, re-programmend version that comes with MIR 3D.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library