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  • DietzD
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    @Another User said:

    I can see MIR and MIRacle have installed in the Avid VST folder and also in the VST2 and VSt3 folders.

    Same question: Does Vienna Ensemble know about these folders? Make sure that you see them in VE's Preferences.

    But before we look any further: Are you able to open MIR 3D "empty" as a stand-alone app, just for testing? Assuming that you're on Windows, its *.EXE should be available when you search for it in Window's Start-menu. Please check and let us know, we'll take it from there.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    Hello Dietz,

    Again, thanks for the quick reply.

    I can launch the empty MIR outside of VE and Sibelius, and I can load a venue from Room Pack 1.

    In VE preferences MIR, MIR Pro eq and MIRacle are all showing up; also MIR's own logo. I've done rescans here to make sure.

    Open New Project on VE's menu does not offer MIR, just a change in the content of VE.

    On the bottom left 'insert a new plugin after this channel' in VE MIR is still not showing - perhaps this is correct.

    As mentioned before I can add the red Mir Pro inline to any instrument channel and clicking on this opens the small GUI of dry/wet and volume.

    In Sibelius MIR doesn't show up on the active devices list, but it does appear under Master Insert Effects, along with the VIenna Suite plugins. But this would add it to the final master stereo which is the wrong place, is it not? And I have the impression MIR doesn't need to be an active device in Sibelius?

    So I think the issue is missing steps for what happens inside VE. For example, if the red inline is activated for every instrument in an VE instance, how then does MIR open fully inside VE? And what if there is more than one instance of VE? 

    There is a complicated heirarchy of processing (Sibelius, VIPro, VE, MIR) which is difficult to grasp.

    I hope this makes plain the problem.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Hmmm .... I have little experience with Sibelius as a DAW, but a gut feeling tells me that you should take this host out of the equation. Look at it as a plain MIDI data sequencer, for now.

    Vienna Ensemble is a different story, though. You should be able to install MIR 3D from the list of available plug-ins manually, even if everything als goes wrong. The red insert is actually just the connection between the host and MIR's main GUI that you have seen already when you were opening the application. (BTW: "Inline" just refers to the fact that MIR will "send back" both the dry and the wet signal components to this channel. In Vienna Ensemble you can also decide to send the resulting wet signal to another bus, which is a nice-to-have feature under certain circumstances, but they are beyond the scope of the issue we're looking at ATM.)

    As soon as you insert the first "red" MIR 3D plug-in, the MIR 3D splash screen should pop up, informing you about the start of the main GUI. As soon as it has opened completely you will see a first MIR Icon appear on the so-called "Default Venue" that invites you to load an actual MIR Venue to start working. If you want to raise this main GUI window, you can either use your operating system's method to switch between individual Windows (e.g. Alt-Tab), or you can click on the "Focus" button in the small MIR 3D plug-in's GUI (see attachment).

    ... if none of these hints get you started, I have to ask you kindly to get in contact with my colleagues from VSL's support team tomorrow Monday (-> support@vsl.co.at). They will be able to talk you through the process. Please include as many technical details as possible (ideally the system report created by the Vienna Assistant app) and  a reference to this thread.

    Kind regards,

    Image

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • L
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    I'm also having the same problem on an M1 MacMini/Ventura.

    I can use MIRPro in Logic without issue and also boot it from the Finder as an Application

    BUT.

    I can't see it from within VEPro (FX drop down menu) and if I click the 'Auto Add Mir' red button I also get nothing when creating new Channels.

    I can see the MIR Pro Equaliser and also MIRacle, but not MIR Pro itself.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi Louis C, 

    That is a bit unusual, works fine here, same system. 

    Did you try to uninstall and reinstall the latest versions of VE Pro and MIR Pro from within Vienna Assistant yet? 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    VSL developers suggest to initiate a complete plug-in re-scan in case MIR 3D doesn't show up in the selection pull-down: 

     

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    Hello Dietz,

    I have MIR opening now. The only thing I haven't seen so far is the option to choose the audio format. I'm working in stereo so I guess this doesn't matter at present, and if the audio signal is travelling from MIR back to Sibelius before export then stereo is the only possible final outcome (?).

    I have had several sessions trying out various features. It is very impressive, so congratulations all round. I have worked with a number of reverbs in the past 15 years or so within the sample orchestra world and MIR sounds very good. The main gain for me is the help with the issue of perceived depth to the sound.

    I have a few questions:

    Is there a way of raising the overall volume of the stereo signal before it leaves MIR? At present it is on the quiet side even with the volume levels in VE fairly high.

    Does the Natural Volume feature in MIR over-ride the volume levels in VE?

    I'm using Vienna Suite's Eq presets in VE. Are there equivalent presets in MIR? Does this amount to duplication of effect?

    And finally a +1 to the suggestion made by another poster on the forum that the brightness of the MIDI activity in the instruments could be a bit brighter.

    With thanks.
  • DietzD
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    @Another User said:

    And finally a +1 to the suggestion made by another poster on the forum that the brightness of the MIDI activity in the instruments could be a bit brighter.

    We took note! 😊 Thanks for the suggestion.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    Hello Dietz,

    Thanks for the helpful answers.
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    @Paul said:

    Did you try to uninstall and reinstall the latest versions of VE Pro and MIR Pro from within Vienna Assistant yet?

    Uninstalling using the Uninstall app in the same folder as MIRPro and then re-installing via the updated Vienna Assistant solved it - many thanks Paul.

    By the way - Roompack 7 is STUNNING.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Hi Louis,

    great that this worked for you, and thanks for your friendly words!

    Enjoy MIR 3D,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    Hello again Dietz,

    It looks like in MIR roles, under Dimension Strings, Cello Player 5's preset is missing. Am I right, or did you know this already?

    Also, does MIR Pro's audio output return to VE? This would mean any effect applied to the master channel in VE would be post-MIR (?). 

    Thanks.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Re. Missing Dimension Cello 5: Oh, I see  - but only for Vienna Konzerthaus Großer Saal (Great Hall) and Mozartsaal, AFAICS. That's an oversight that must have happend during the conversion process from MIRx. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for reporting. I'll make sure that this small hickup will be fixed ASAP.

    Re. MIR's output: Yes, as long as you don't use individual output routings for a channel and/or MIR's exclusive "wet only" routing option, MIR's complete output will appear on the chosen master bus. Any processing that takes place there will of course also affect MIR, therefore.

    HTH.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    Hello Dietz,

    I've just invested in Room pack 3 for MIR Pro3D.

    When I click on 'Roles' in the Steinhofkirche GUI neither of the Room pack 3 venues appear. I can see Teldex / Gateshead / Pernegg / Synchron (of the room packs I don't have) plus Room pack 1 (which I do), but nothing for pack 3. Pack 3 is listed on Options - Preferences in the same location as pack 1 on my external hard drive. The instruments are all visible in the church graphic.

    Can you explain what has happened to these roles for pack 3?

    With thanks.
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Hi,

    Not all Venues come with "Role"-presets for Vienna Instruments / Synchron-ized Instruments. In quite a few cases size and nature of a room defy its use for standard orchestra seating - as great as they might sound. 

    But apart from that you should be able to load you new Venues from MIR 3D's Venue Selection dialog at t the bottom of the Venue Map. If you don't see all your licensed Venues in this browser then there either went something wrong with the installation (downloading alone is not enough!) or the license transfer.

    HTH,

    Image

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    Thanks for clarifying this. It was only looking for the non-existing roles that was the problem - I have everything else working and visible (the 9-10 second reverb length is wild!).
  • DietzD
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    That's good to hear !

    @Oceanview said:

    (the 9-10 second reverb length is wild!).

    Yes, they are. Andone of the reasons why I didn't create "Standard Roles" for this beautiful space, simply because it's soooo non-standard ... 😊

    Enjoy MIR 3D!

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • OceanviewO
    OceanviewO

    I wonder whether it might be helpful to make that point in the product description?

    One compositional observation I could make is that such a long reverb poses some interesting challenges and opportunities for the type of music one makes to work with it. 

    In the longer term I will need to figure out if it is possible to generate any surround-sound (such as binaural) mixes with MIRPro3D if the audio is being exported from Sibelius.
  • DietzD
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    @Another User said:

    In the longer term I will need to figure out if it is possible to generate any surround-sound (such as binaural) mixes with MIRPro3D if the audio is being exported from Sibelius.

    Andreas Olszewski is our local scoring app guru, but I seem to remember that Sibelius support only stereo output. You might need an additional host like VE Pro or a full-fledged DAW for this task.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library