Hi Paul,

I was about to start a thread to request silent keys for all piano libraries, as this is really an important property of acoustic pianos. Happy to discover others have mentioned this, so as a classical pianist who uses this feature "in real life," I'd like to add my voice too.

There are numerous instances in the piano literature in which we depress a key silently and then hold it using the sostenuto pedal for instance.

A simple albeit temporary workaround would be to require a minimum velocity level (something sufficiently greater than 1 in order to emulate an acoustic piano) to produce a sound. Even if there were no sympathetic resonance as a result, this would still be far preferable to hearing a sound no matter how slowly a key is pressed.

Hopefully this small feature can be implemented soon.

Kind regards,

Albert

P.S. Loving the new Bösendorfer Imperial—many thanks.

+ 1

To be very honest, reading and watching the presentations at the time of launch, I was convinced it was already part of the features. 

Beside the fact I was disappointed by the fact it was not, I think that a product of this level, and aiming to the described postioning should include this feature, beside improving the way sympathetic resonance works with pedals.

Synchron pianos are wondeful products, and deserve this type of care IMVHO despite the fact the list of developers is obviously long and lot of priorities burning. Please don't neglect it, please don't wait too long :)

There might be a small group that feel the need for a silent key feature, but I'm sure close to 100% of users would benefit from a velocity curve editor and a functioning sympathetic resonance. The velocity curve editor being the most important. 

God Bless,

David

@David B. said:

There might be a small group that feel the need for a silent key feature, but I'm sure close to 100% of users would benefit from a velocity curve editor and a functioning sympathetic resonance. The velocity curve editor being the most important.

Of course, but: almost all the good piano keyboard controllers have a velocity curve editor, while they can't improve sympathetic resonance 😉 This is definitely up to VSL

[quote = hazend_18867; 287923] dann bin ich jetzt der nächste Benutzer, der das nicht mag :-) Ich möchte diese Funktion auch haben

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Hallo, 

Entschuldigung für die Ablehnung, ich warte immer noch auf die Antwort unserer Entwicklungsteams. 

Wir müssen sich darum kümmern, ob dies so möglich ist, wie Sie es erwartet und wie viel Zeit es sich handelt. 

Im Moment ist es auf unserer persönlichen Liste gehört, und die Rechte sehen gering zu sein, bereits 5 Benutzer. 

Am besten,
Paul

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Hallo Paul,

Danke für deine Antwort! Ich habe die Rechte verloren und ich sehe auch, warum stirbt leider eine negative Rechte haben. Trotz der Anzahl der Rechte, der Funktion, die fehlten, der fehlenden, der VSL-Perfektion, die der Ethos-Verwaltung entspricht, und der Gesamtheit der Wiener Komponisten, der Laufzeit der Jahrhunderte zur Entwicklung des Klaviers haben war es geworden ist ...

Danke lieber. Ich werde sterben Hoffnung Hoffnung!

Alles Gute,

Roeland

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[quote = fatis12_24918; 297637]I agree.

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Es mag eine kleine Gruppe geben, die das Bedürfnis nach einer stillen Schlüsselfunktion verspürt, aber ich bin sicher, dass nahezu 100% der Benutzer von einem Geschwindigkeitskurven-Editor und einer funktionierenden sympathischen Resonanz profitieren würden. Der Geschwindigkeitskurven-Editor ist der wichtigste.

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Natürlich, aber: Fast alle guten Piano-Keyboard-Controller verfügen über einen Geschwindigkeitskurven-Editor, während sie die sympathische Resonanz nicht verbessern können;) Dies liegt definitiv an VSL

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Hi guys, 

I'm afraid I don't understand the point of those weird auto-translations into german. 

Best, 
Paul

+ 1 for Silent Key Strikes

For the Boesendorfer Upright, Sympathetic String Sound only affects the Close 2/Ribbon and Close/Condenser mics. Although the hover info says it applies to close mics, it doesn't seem to apply to Close 1/Condenser.

Does this mean that Symphatethic String Sound is only available within the Full library (and for two mics)?

Hello moogvoyager, 

That's correct, we apply the Sympathetic String calculation only to the close mics. 

Best, 
Paul

Hello Paul,

I would like to ask you if there are any news about your research to improve the sympathetic resonance feature in Synchron Pianos.

Thanks

Matteo

@Paul said:

Hi Matteo, 

I agree, it's not as great as it could be. We'll have to invest some more research time to improve it, and I hope we can get to it soon. But I can't give you an ETA. 

Personally, I wouldn't make this a decisive factor for your decision, those Synchron Pianos are great as they are. Which won't keep us from improving them! Just my opinion 😊

Best, 
Paul

3 years since this thread started and all we got were a few vague answers like "we might look into it if time permits"(paraphrased), along with questionable marketing pitches like "buy nevertheless, these are great pianos, believe me"(paraphrased), in spite of the fact that these are by far the most expensive VSTi pianos on the market.

The "Sympathetic" widget on that interface should either be removed, or renamed to something like "Mud Slider" or "This will do something(?) to the sound that you won't like". If it's left as it is it's simply misleading advertising.

Let me recap:

- No Sympathetic resonance

- No silent key

- No velocity curve control (Correction: no yet tested, but seems to've been implemented in March 2021)

- Inconsistent panning on quite a few microphones, on all pianos (I haven't heard the new 280VC)

- Unnaturally short and synthetic sounding note decay which, along with the lack of sympathetic resonance, considerably diminishes the qualities that these pianos otherwise do have.

- How about una corda samples?

How come most $99-$200 pianos on the market have had most if not all these things from day one, and VSL refuses to implement them in VSTis that cost 3-4 times as much, 3 years after inception, one piano after another with the same limitations as the previous one? Seriously, what is this?

Until I see a major shift in the way VSL is doing business, I'm out.

Hi cuzzinlouie,

You might want to update your Synchron Piano Player software. Seems like you missed the news regarding the included velocity curve editor :)

Best, Ben

Hi Ben,

Thanks for the heads-up regarding the velocity curve editor. I saw a new version was released in March, but I could not find a changelog anywhere, so I did not bother downloading it.

Indeed I missed this release simply because there was no email notification and after months of hoping for updates that just wouldn't come, I stopped visiting the VSL website.

Anyway, I'll edit my post.

Kind regards

You can always find the changelogs here: https://www.vsl.info/manuals/changelogs/synchron-piano-player

Also, you will see the changelog in the update notification popup when you open the standalone version.

@cuzzinlouie said:

...How come most $99-$200 pianos on the market have had most if not all these things from day one, and VSL refuses to implement them in VSTis that cost 3-4 times as much, 3 years after inception, one piano after another with the same limitations as the previous one? Seriously, what is this?

Until I see a major shift in the way VSL is doing business, I'm out.

Do these $99-$200 virtual pianos sound better than VSL's offerings? If so, then why are you complaining? I would imagine you would be grateful to find something you like at a lower price. Do VSL's offerings (with their limitations) sound better than the $99-$200 virtual pianos? if so, then why are you complaining? I would imagine that you would be grateful to have a product that exceeds all others. 

Personally, I'm grateful there are so many options to choose from that can inspire and enhance my playing experience. Nobody is forcing me to buy VSL products. It's the choice I'm making because I like them the best. Hopefully, you'll find satisfaction with whatever product you choose to use. 

God Bless,

David

@cuzzinlouie said:

...How come most $99-$200 pianos on the market have had most if not all these things from day one, and VSL refuses to implement them in VSTis that cost 3-4 times as much, 3 years after inception, one piano after another with the same limitations as the previous one? Seriously, what is this?

Until I see a major shift in the way VSL is doing business, I'm out.

Do these $99-$200 virtual pianos sound better than VSL's offerings? If so, then why are you complaining? I would imagine you would be grateful to find something you like at a lower price. Do VSL's offerings (with their limitations) sound better than the $99-$200 virtual pianos? if so, then why are you complaining? I would imagine that you would be grateful to have a product that exceeds all others. 

Personally, I'm grateful there are so many options to choose from that can inspire and enhance my playing experience. Nobody is forcing me to buy VSL products. It's the choice I'm making because I like them the best. Hopefully, you'll find satisfaction with whatever product you choose to use. 

God Bless,

David

Hm, where do I begin? Should I even begin? Probably not, so I'll just say this:

"Do these $99-$200 virtual pianos sound better than VSL's offerings?"

In my opinion this question is too vague. As I am sure you know, it's not just the sound one gets by pressing a key what makes a great piano, but if this was your question then no. They all sound like good pianos recorded with good microphones, even the $99 ones. They all have their pluses and minuses, that's why we keep buying them in the hope that one day we'll get to the holy grail of VST pianos.

Why do I complain? For the same reason you complain about me complaining. It's a method of expressing disagreement with something that's been said or done.

@cuzzinlouie said:

Why do I complain? For the same reason you complain about me complaining. It's a method of expressing disagreement with something that's been said or done.

Did I complain about you? Did I express annoyance or dissatisfaction with your comments? No, I didn't. I simply inquired why you were complaining so that I might better understand your feelings on the matter. Your response has not helped me to better understand your perspective. 

There is a difference between criticism and suggestions on improvements. I was interested to see if I could find justification in your criticism of VSL's "business" and "advertisement" practices. So far, I can't. 

God Bless,

David

True, you did not complain about me, but you did disagree with the things I said to the extent that you felt the need to set me straight. It's bit of a gray area and I hope you agree. Not quite patronizing, but not far from it either, at least this is how a post like yours can be perceived when words are all we have.

If I misinterpreted and you were instead simply genuinely curious, I apologize. But then, I am not sure what could have been unclear about my bullet points? You may of course disagree with them, but instead of asking for more, clarifying details, you suggested I should simply be grateful for having so many options.

David, if you're ok with paying VSL premium prices for incomplete products, that is entirely your call. Nobody is going to stand in your way.

Do you at least agree that if nobody is saying anything, no improvement will ever be made? If after +-3 years since release, bullet-pointing the features that are incomplete, nonexistent or broken are considered an invalid complaint, I'd like to know why.