Let me add my voice to the (not as big as I'd like) crowd: silent key and built-in velocity curve editor are 2 main features I miss with Synchron Pianos

Same here, silent key, a velocity curve editor and better sympathetic resonance would make the VSL Pianos the undisputed kings of being the best alternative to a real acoustic out there.

Hello Paul,

I have purchased the Steinway and tested it. Unfortunately the feature called "sympathetic resonance" does not work as sympathetic resonace would, destroying the sound naturalness. Although the piano has other good qualities, this is a bit disappointing if compared to a much cheaper piano like the Garritan Cfx, which has a good sympathetic resonance feature. 

To decide whether to keep the piano, may you assure me that you are fixing this issue in reasonable time?

Thanks

Matteo

Hi Matteo, 

I agree, it's not as great as it could be. We'll have to invest some more research time to improve it, and I hope we can get to it soon. But I can't give you an ETA. 

Personally, I wouldn't make this a decisive factor for your decision, those Synchron Pianos are great as they are. Which won't keep us from improving them! Just my opinion 😊

Best, 
Paul

Hello Paul,

Thank you for the quick answer and for your advice. I believe that Synchron Pianos are great too and I am glad to know that you'll continue researching to improve also this feature. 

Best regards

Matteo

Paul,

Please make sure that silent key, when implemented, is an option that can be turned on/off, and has configurable velocity threshold value.
Here is what I mean: if it is turned on and set to 5, then keys pressed with velocity 5 or below are treated as silent; and if it is turned off, than even velocity 1 produces ppppp sound.

Hi Paul,

I was about to start a thread to request silent keys for all piano libraries, as this is really an important property of acoustic pianos. Happy to discover others have mentioned this, so as a classical pianist who uses this feature "in real life," I'd like to add my voice too.

There are numerous instances in the piano literature in which we depress a key silently and then hold it using the sostenuto pedal for instance.

A simple albeit temporary workaround would be to require a minimum velocity level (something sufficiently greater than 1 in order to emulate an acoustic piano) to produce a sound. Even if there were no sympathetic resonance as a result, this would still be far preferable to hearing a sound no matter how slowly a key is pressed.

Hopefully this small feature can be implemented soon.

Kind regards,

Albert

P.S. Loving the new Bösendorfer Imperial—many thanks.

+ 1

To be very honest, reading and watching the presentations at the time of launch, I was convinced it was already part of the features. 

Beside the fact I was disappointed by the fact it was not, I think that a product of this level, and aiming to the described postioning should include this feature, beside improving the way sympathetic resonance works with pedals.

Synchron pianos are wondeful products, and deserve this type of care IMVHO despite the fact the list of developers is obviously long and lot of priorities burning. Please don't neglect it, please don't wait too long :)

There might be a small group that feel the need for a silent key feature, but I'm sure close to 100% of users would benefit from a velocity curve editor and a functioning sympathetic resonance. The velocity curve editor being the most important. 

God Bless,

David

@David B. said:

There might be a small group that feel the need for a silent key feature, but I'm sure close to 100% of users would benefit from a velocity curve editor and a functioning sympathetic resonance. The velocity curve editor being the most important.

Of course, but: almost all the good piano keyboard controllers have a velocity curve editor, while they can't improve sympathetic resonance 😉 This is definitely up to VSL

[quote = hazend_18867; 287923] dann bin ich jetzt der nächste Benutzer, der das nicht mag :-) Ich möchte diese Funktion auch haben

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Hallo, 

Entschuldigung für die Ablehnung, ich warte immer noch auf die Antwort unserer Entwicklungsteams. 

Wir müssen sich darum kümmern, ob dies so möglich ist, wie Sie es erwartet und wie viel Zeit es sich handelt. 

Im Moment ist es auf unserer persönlichen Liste gehört, und die Rechte sehen gering zu sein, bereits 5 Benutzer. 

Am besten,
Paul

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Hallo Paul,

Danke für deine Antwort! Ich habe die Rechte verloren und ich sehe auch, warum stirbt leider eine negative Rechte haben. Trotz der Anzahl der Rechte, der Funktion, die fehlten, der fehlenden, der VSL-Perfektion, die der Ethos-Verwaltung entspricht, und der Gesamtheit der Wiener Komponisten, der Laufzeit der Jahrhunderte zur Entwicklung des Klaviers haben war es geworden ist ...

Danke lieber. Ich werde sterben Hoffnung Hoffnung!

Alles Gute,

Roeland

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[quote = fatis12_24918; 297637]I agree.

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Es mag eine kleine Gruppe geben, die das Bedürfnis nach einer stillen Schlüsselfunktion verspürt, aber ich bin sicher, dass nahezu 100% der Benutzer von einem Geschwindigkeitskurven-Editor und einer funktionierenden sympathischen Resonanz profitieren würden. Der Geschwindigkeitskurven-Editor ist der wichtigste.

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Natürlich, aber: Fast alle guten Piano-Keyboard-Controller verfügen über einen Geschwindigkeitskurven-Editor, während sie die sympathische Resonanz nicht verbessern können;) Dies liegt definitiv an VSL

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Hi guys, 

I'm afraid I don't understand the point of those weird auto-translations into german. 

Best, 
Paul

+ 1 for Silent Key Strikes

For the Boesendorfer Upright, Sympathetic String Sound only affects the Close 2/Ribbon and Close/Condenser mics. Although the hover info says it applies to close mics, it doesn't seem to apply to Close 1/Condenser.

Does this mean that Symphatethic String Sound is only available within the Full library (and for two mics)?

Hello moogvoyager, 

That's correct, we apply the Sympathetic String calculation only to the close mics. 

Best, 
Paul

Hello Paul,

I would like to ask you if there are any news about your research to improve the sympathetic resonance feature in Synchron Pianos.

Thanks

Matteo

@Paul said:

Hi Matteo, 

I agree, it's not as great as it could be. We'll have to invest some more research time to improve it, and I hope we can get to it soon. But I can't give you an ETA. 

Personally, I wouldn't make this a decisive factor for your decision, those Synchron Pianos are great as they are. Which won't keep us from improving them! Just my opinion 😊

Best, 
Paul

3 years since this thread started and all we got were a few vague answers like "we might look into it if time permits"(paraphrased), along with questionable marketing pitches like "buy nevertheless, these are great pianos, believe me"(paraphrased), in spite of the fact that these are by far the most expensive VSTi pianos on the market.

The "Sympathetic" widget on that interface should either be removed, or renamed to something like "Mud Slider" or "This will do something(?) to the sound that you won't like". If it's left as it is it's simply misleading advertising.

Let me recap:

- No Sympathetic resonance

- No silent key

- No velocity curve control (Correction: no yet tested, but seems to've been implemented in March 2021)

- Inconsistent panning on quite a few microphones, on all pianos (I haven't heard the new 280VC)

- Unnaturally short and synthetic sounding note decay which, along with the lack of sympathetic resonance, considerably diminishes the qualities that these pianos otherwise do have.

- How about una corda samples?

How come most $99-$200 pianos on the market have had most if not all these things from day one, and VSL refuses to implement them in VSTis that cost 3-4 times as much, 3 years after inception, one piano after another with the same limitations as the previous one? Seriously, what is this?

Until I see a major shift in the way VSL is doing business, I'm out.

Hi cuzzinlouie,

You might want to update your Synchron Piano Player software. Seems like you missed the news regarding the included velocity curve editor :)

Best, Ben