@DaddyO said:

The VE Pro 7 pre-order announcement came out nearly a month ago. Details were not available at that time but were said to be forthcoming.

I did not wade into the Synchron Strings release, but I did observe the disappointment of those who preordered when it took about six months after that for the Synchron Player to be released (according to my reconstruction based on YouTube video releases). I really hope the VE Pro 7 release does not play out like that.

To be sure, VSL does not want to release information about VEP7 features that are not yet fully and successfully working. I just hope substantial information and release is at most a few weeks away instead of months.

I do not expect that I will feel burned by this information-less pre-order. My history with VSL suggests I will not be disappointed with the product once I get my hands on it. But I hope I'm not still relying on a general confidence a month from now.

I sympathize with the 6 month wait for the Syncron Player. Got one even worse. Back a few years East West announced a majpr update for their then flagship orchestral library. People could pre-order at a frozen price and be assured of being the first to get it. This frozen price was not a discount as such because they said the price might well go up upon release. We were also told it would only be a couple of months. Turned out it was more like 18 months AND they charged our credit cards at time of order. So there is precedent for screwing over customers. Which is why I haven't yet ordered the upgrade (VEPro 6 owner).

Purchased in the initial days of the pre-order.

For me VEP 6 was a tremendous improvement over version 5. The introduction of tabbed instances was alone worth it.

But if I had it to do over again, I would at least wait until more information was available, not because I have a tremendous fear of being burned but because it is simply prudent. I have every reason to think that I would still purchase it then. But I realize now that pre-ordering with little in the way of information only encourages vendors to more of the same behavior. 

Those who say I wasn't forced to pre-order are entirely correct. VSL announced the pre-order with an information vacuum. Their reputation allowed them to do so. Their reputation with me is intact unless and until something happens that would change my mind. I do not expect that to be the case in this instance, at least with regard to the product itself.

But a delay of months in getting the product would make me never want to do again what I did with this pre-order.

Oh, and I should add, VSL is not East West. I'm sure you would agree. 

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

@GTBannah said:

-1.

No problem here with disagreement. Still, I'm curious. What exactly in my post do you disagree with?

Sorry, man! It was dark, and I missed! 

This is what i meant:- +1. 😳 😃

@DaddyO said:

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

When you find it, could you share the link with us?

@DaddyO said:

Purchased in the initial days of the pre-order.

For me VEP 6 was a tremendous improvement over version 5. The introduction of tabbed instances was alone worth it.

But if I had it to do over again, I would at least wait until more information was available, not because I have a tremendous fear of being burned but because it is simply prudent. I have every reason to think that I would still purchase it then. But I realize now that pre-ordering with little in the way of information only encourages vendors to more of the same behavior. 

Those who say I wasn't forced to pre-order are entirely correct. VSL announced the pre-order with an information vacuum. Their reputation allowed them to do so. Their reputation with me is intact unless and until something happens that would change my mind. I do not expect that to be the case in this instance, at least with regard to the product itself.

But a delay of months in getting the product would make me never want to do again what I did with this pre-order.

Oh, and I should add, VSL is not East West. I'm sure you would agree. 

@GTBannah said:

-1.

No problem here with disagreement. Still, I'm curious. What exactly in my post do you disagree with?

Sorry, man! It was dark, and I missed! 

This is what i meant:- +1. 😳 😃

Got it. 👍

Happens to the best of us!

@DaddyO said:

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

When you find it, could you share the link with us?

It's a post on the 16th page of this thread:

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t50941p16-SOON--VE-Pro-7----NOW--Epic-Orchestra-2-0#post281528

I can't figure out how to link to one particular post, only the first on the page. Just scroll down to Paul's post dated March 15th.

@DaddyO said:

Was just informed about a post by Paul on March 15th in the main VEP7 thread that updates everyone on the status of work on VEP7. It is good to see that there is some optimism for a release in weeks rather than months.

The trouble with creating such pre - release excitment, is that when it does come, it can only be an anti climax !

as the expectation will grow more than what it could ever be.

The only thing it could do, is to include effects - maybe even MIR,  and that would be good for many, but as a Vienna Effects and MIR owner,  that isn't going to do much for me, which is why I didn''t pre-order.

As someone who purchased VEP 6 near the middle of December, its the only thing I feel a bit burned on, having to pay for an upgrade so soon after haivng just purchsed 6, especially since I only need 1 license.

I do not have MIR or Vienna Suite, so in my view, some sort of "light" version of these in Ensemble would be a great addition, especially since many other soundfonts have some form of many of the basic functionality that Vienna Suite has, provided free with the purchase of a soundont. I am a big fan of templates in particular for sketching ideas quickly, and as MIDI has just gotten out of hand in the past decade in the way of complexity, I would love to see templates built-in to Ensemble. There is no reason Ensemble cant detect what Vienna products you have a license for and create a template on the fly, and allow for modification of these default templates.

The choice to split Ensemble into single licenses and provide EO as a seperate purchase is the right decision, albeit, maybe a bit more expensive than it should be.

I am a bit puzzled as to the lack of details at this point. There must be some big feature that VEP7 is going to do, it seems bizarre to have an update for a few FX addons. Why not share one or two of the big things VEP7 is bringing to the table? While an exhaustive changelog will eventually be called for upon release, surely it cant hurt to spill the beans on one or two big features that are expected to work out of the box.

@littlewierdo said:

I am a bit puzzled as to the lack of details at this point. There must be some big feature that VEP7 is going to do, it seems bizarre to have an update for a few FX addons. Why not share one or two of the big things VEP7 is bringing to the table? While an exhaustive changelog will eventually be called for upon release, surely it cant hurt to spill the beans on one or two big features that are expected to work out of the box.

Let me indulge in some pure speculation here and say something: I wonder if the lack of details is due to maybe Vienna licensing some outside developer's product and they either can't get the license or the developer had Vienna sign an NDA? Here's another one - maybe they're running into problem with the minimum computer specs and have to bump them up in say operating systems to the next one up? Whatever the reason is I think it's not due to wanting to nail down everything working perfectly (although that is a must) but something else.

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

They might be including some sequencer-type features.

@GTBannah said:

They might be including some sequencer-type features.

@Carl said:

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

@Carl said:

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

Regardless of it in the beginning, middle, end- if it's in beta they're most likely not going to talk about it until it's ready for release.

@Carl said:

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

Regardless of it in the beginning, middle, end- if it's in beta they're most likely not going to talk about it until it's ready for release.

Well, apart from the fact that they said they'd do exactly the opposite and have consistently told us they'd give us information before release.

@Carl said:

If they just started beta testing around the 15th it's no wonder nothing's being discussed.

Regardless of it in the beginning, middle, end- if it's in beta they're most likely not going to talk about it until it's ready for release.

Well, apart from the fact that they said they'd do exactly the opposite and have consistently told us they'd give us information before release.

so just wait a week or so, they're obviousley not going to

@DaddyO said:

The VE Pro 7 pre-order announcement came out nearly a month ago. Details were not available at that time but were said to be forthcoming.

I did not wade into the Synchron Strings release, but I did observe the disappointment of those who preordered when it took about six months after that for the Synchron Player to be released (according to my reconstruction based on YouTube video releases). I really hope the VE Pro 7 release does not play out like that.

To be sure, VSL does not want to release information about VEP7 features that are not yet fully and successfully working. I just hope substantial information and release is at most a few weeks away instead of months.

I do not expect that I will feel burned by this information-less pre-order. My history with VSL suggests I will not be disappointed with the product once I get my hands on it. But I hope I'm not still relying on a general confidence a month from now.

I sympathize with the 6 month wait for the Syncron Player. Got one even worse. Back a few years East West announced a majpr update for their then flagship orchestral library. People could pre-order at a frozen price and be assured of being the first to get it. This frozen price was not a discount as such because they said the price might well go up upon release. We were also told it would only be a couple of months. Turned out it was more like 18 months AND they charged our credit cards at time of order. So there is precedent for screwing over customers. Which is why I haven't yet ordered the upgrade (VEPro 6 owner).

There is a precedent for screwing over customers???? Your logic is because East West did something then everyone else should be blamed? Ridiculous.