The new articulation feature is great. Just spent an hour or so making a set for Dimension Strings which was relatively easy. Unfortunately, these articulation maps do not appear to be compatible with track stacks, which are fantastic for use with Dimension series instruments. I'm a bit torn because the articulation mapping would be super convenient. I expect though I will be sticking with keyswitches & track stacks for Dimension series, unless there is some way to pass articulation switches through a stack, that I haven't figured out.

+1

Expression Maps for Logic could be very useful starting points (like VSL's matrices and patches).

Please support for Audio Unit 3 (AU3) as soon as possible too!

Claude

@RLD said:

VSL did a set of Expression Maps for Cubase, so it will be nice they do the same for Logic

Thanks in advance Andy

@RLD said:

Yes I know I have advise the comunity at the release of 10.4.1 but it was needing Environnement development

There is no need for programming the Environment. Just send a Note/Keyswitch, and its Velocity value. In Vienna Instruments/Pro, select KeySwitch for the X-axis, KeySwitch Velocity for the Y-axis.

Note --> KeySwitch
Note Velocity --> KeySwitch Velocity

Paolo

@PaoloT said:

There is no need for programming the Environment. Just send a Note/Keyswitch, and its Velocity value. In Vienna Instruments/Pro, select KeySwitch for the X-axis, KeySwitch Velocity for the Y-axis.

Note --> KeySwitch
Note Velocity --> KeySwitch Velocity

Paolo

Paolo :

In this case you must modify all the Preset made by VSL

With 10.4.2 you dont need

It's funny how people wanted to post for saying thing that are poluating a thread !

Cyril, modifying presets is not forbidden, and is also easy to do in VI. Customization is strongly recommended by the developers themselves.

In any case, I would appreciate if you refrained from finding other member's posts "funny", just because they don't match your view.

Paolo

@PaoloT said:

Cyril, modifying presets is not forbidden, and is also easy to do in VI. Customization is strongly recommended by the developers themselves.

In any case, I would appreciate if you refrained from finding other member's posts "funny", just because they don't match your view.

Paolo

It is not a good idea to modify preset because if VSL is updating or improving them you are .....

I did not undrestand your intervention on this thread !

Everybody was shouting when in 10.4.1 you could not send two or three commands to change articulation

10.4.2 is the best solution for articulation switching !

All previous solutions where DIY

Dear Vienna Users,

 

There must be a way to avoid quarrelling in our discussions. For this forum to remain useful and enjoyable, I think it would be necessary to avoid giving too much importance to the simple expression of a judgment (I like / do not like) about a functionality or a tool. It seems to me that we should share our experiences and solving concrete problems. In addition, we should avoid showing our superiority when our interlocutor seems less experienced.

 

That being said, let say a few words about my own limited experience with custom matrices and articulations. For about 8 years, I've tended to create my own matrices (often by modifying VSL matrices or presets). I preferred one CC to another. I preferred to standardize the use of key switches while Vienna changed them according to the instruments (C0 vs C9, etc.). As my library of VSL instruments grew, so did the work of customization. At this time, the release of Dimension strings was a real challenge! For about two years now, I've been using more readable articulation changes that use scripts (Logic's scripter tool). That's when I realized that it would be better now (more "economical", if you want) to keep (when it is possible) the original matrices of Vienna. I am in the process of modifying my setups in this way. 

 

The release of Logic 10.4.1 had, first of all, brought me good news. Like many, I was disappointed with some limitations when dealing with articulations. (I took advantage of the ingenious workaround proposed by other users of this forum and I say thank you folks!) The recent update of Logic (10.4.2) is really welcome. I must evaluate now if the approach based on notes/events is more advantageous for me (my uses, my experience, my background, etc.) than that based on scripts/region/tracks.

 

Once again, I do not pretend that I have the best solution or that I have the truth. The important thing is the exchange of ideas and the sharing of experience.

 

[And excuse my very bad English!]

 

Best,

 

Claude

Hi Cyril,

This is a very good suggestion. Alas, I have very little time this week. Moreover, as I was expecting, I have not decided yet whether I will use the Logic articulations or the scripts (AG) on which I have spent a lot of time in recent months. Before making a definitive choice, I have to see if my current system will respond well (no hanging note, etc.).

Thank you again for your nice proposal. I hope we will have the opportunity to share some work later.

@Cyril Blanc said:

Why dont we split the work ?

Hi Everyone

I didnt know if you had seen these guys https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

There articulation plugin they developed has just been updated to include VSL libraries and after the short time ive had playing with it its excellent and may be just what your looking for

i hope this helps

Kindest 

Pul

@Pieman1560 said:

Hi Everyone

I didnt know if you had seen these guys https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

There articulation plugin they developed has just been updated to include VSL libraries and after the short time ive had playing with it its excellent and may be just what your looking for

i hope this helps

Kindest 

Pul

Hi Pul,

This looks great, do they support all the instruments of the Cube ? Dimension and Syncron Libraries ?

What articulation sign can be seen in the score ?

Can you post screen shots ?

Best

Cyril

@Pieman1560 said:

Hi Cyril

Currently the selection of available libraries for VSL is small, and as i only have Special Edition 1 and 1Plus I cannot test the other available libraries for you.

Hello Paul

Thank you very much for your answer

Is it possible that you do a screen copy of articulation availlable for the solo violin and the trumpet ?

Do they provide the VE/VI  ?

 

Best

Cyril

Hi Cyril

I've done a short video showing how it works (with Orchestral SE1 Strings)

The playings not great, so Mozart has nothing to worry about but you'll see how it works mate

if i have more time i'll see how it works in Ensamble (not Ensamble Pro as i dont have it!....yet!)

have a good one mate

Paul

 

Edit....ive tried to upload the video as a .mov but its not working mate, so i'll try and get it working and upload it ASAP

Hi Cyril

I cant seem to upload videos showing how it works, but it does work in Ensamble too!

ive sent you a PM mate

Kindest regards

Paul

Hi Everyone

I've done a video of how it works and will post a link to youtube once its uploaded

Have a good one

Paul

Hi Everyone

As promised attached are links to the videos

This shows the software working

This shows it working in Ensamble

I hope this helps

Kindest

Paul

Hello

I have bought  https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

Just looking at the Solo Violin I have remark that the Up and Down bow articulation where missing.

I have contact Marc, the develloper, and I kindly ask him if he could add Up and Dow bow

The answer was NO, he said it was too much to add UP and Down Bow on each articulation !!!!

Then I ask him only to add on the levell II patch :

Stroke Up and Stroke down

And to kindly refund me if he does not want to do it

His answer is :

>>>>No refund

>>>>Feel free to add whatever you want, there is no reason why you cannot extend the articulation sets yourself. 

it's a kindly f...up

 

Looking at the contents send with the Violin I have found strange articulation sending ; in Violin Levell II he is sending 3 articulations !! I have never seen this before, I have to check this when I return to the studio

 

If you think you will have acces to all articulations of an instrument, you can dream, BabylonWare only allow you 32  articulations for the Solo Violin Levell II

So if I was you I will wait to buy this BabylonWave. I will do extensive test mid November

A company that does not want to make it's software evolve does not need to exist

I have also found that the keyboard articulations are not provided, and only the Tympany is provided for percussions

I hope the VSL is going to give us a good Expression Mapping for Logic.

Hi Cyril

I can't help think that your being a bit harsh really, given the functionaltity it gives users of Logic now (the 1st time its been updated for VSL).

I've used this for a while with other software libraries and they add more features all the time. Considering this version was released the same week Logic updated to 10.4.2 i think they've done a brilliant job in offering what they do so soon after a major update and its only a matter of time before it gets better

Kindest regards

Paul

@Pieman1560 said:

i think they've done a brilliant job in offering what they do so soon after a major update and its only a matter of time before it gets better

 

I have also been very surprised of there non professionnal answer

Let's wait and see

Maybe Marc is going to be more resonnable 

I forgot also to mention that there are no Dimension libs supported neither VSO