dear forum members,

from a technical view: to implement a mute/hide option would dig deeply into the forum code - it affects not only displaying posts, but also topics, new posts indicators, last post in thread indicators, tags, ect. would that really be worth the effort? shouldn't we waste our time on features which add some advantages to the website?

from a personal view: it has already been mentioned this is a liberal forum and the vast majority of posts are well thought-out and interesting, so moderators can stay in the background. we don't want the intonation in the VSL forum to turn into something we eventually find in certain social media groups.

i'd assume everybody here is respectful and tolerant enough that we don't need to have tools to exclude someone from communication. maybe it's actually just the summerly heat ...

@cm said:

i'd assume everybody here is respectful and tolerant enough that we don't need to have tools to exclude someone from communication.

👍

...and adult enough to tolerate those who are not😉

I read this forum to learn something from others and help where I can.

Sometimes I have to laught how stubborn someone can be; but it gets annoying...
Therefore I like the idea of a mute mute button (or a penalty time-out for those who misbehave...).

I don't care if someone has a fight with somone else, unless I have to read all the useless conversations to get the information between those posts I'm looking for.

Best, Ben

@bbelius said:

a penalty time-out for those who misbehave....

As reasonable as it sounds, its afford to have a guideline for misbehavior which must be sanctioned, for instance

• - direct personal insults
• - slamming other members especially with lies and proveable wrong pretentions about their person,
• - hostile personal polemic,
• - spreading or insinuating personal debasing Lies and Fantasies about them and their families, for instance all those personal debasing hobby psychiatrist pseudo-diagnosis etc.

I think there are enough exsamples of what those who show that missbehavior pretend would be allegedly just "humor" but would often enough already for the respect of exsiting laws would dseserve to be strictly sanctioned.

But as far I understood Dietz right he dont want to step in what he calls "kindergarten" this is from Dietz perspective may be understandable since it would make for him especially with some members a lot of work to intervene each time they are breaking such guidlines again and again. But I fear not to be sanctioned and not even be reprimed is presumably exactly the main reason, what still encourages those who obviously cant resist to show that kind of misbehavior.

So perhaps it will be more reasonable to think about a more responsible and therfore more active administration according to clear and for everybody in the same way valid guidelines to keep the comunication temperature even in summer a bit more moderate.

@bbelius said:

I don't care if someone has a fight with somone else, unless I have to read all the useless conversations to get the information between those posts I'm looking for. Best, Ben

@LAJ said:

What the moderators could do better? Looking for so called „Two-Faces“ in this community and speak a VERY serious word with them. Those guys always use the same concept and are easy to find ... Step 1: First they behave provocative and try to make rules for others. Often it comes to a dispute including verbal abuse. Step 2: unexpected reconciliation and effusive praise for the previously attacked person ... Step 3: Another unexpected attack. and so on ... it is always the same procedure. And it is some kind of „repeating circle-concept“. The climax happens when those people are calling it comedy [b]on costs of others[/b]. Please take actions on those few people. THAT is what will work!

I understand the concretion of your concerns but I thinks it works as good as clear and straight it is. If the Administration sets up and really enforce their "rules" no one else has any occasion to do so..

So the major point in my humble opinion would be what you call abuse and that beginns, as soon someone turns off from the discussed topic and shows concrete personal directed hostile insultiung and debasing behavior.

Thats easier to set up and still enough work to enforce for Dietz.

@fahl5 said:

I personally have the impression, as if the few who might tend to react sometimes a bit more impulsive than others are still ready to learn how to keep this comunity friendly and open minded.

Great, when do you start?

Ok I admit this statement was obviously a bit to optimistic. I honestly didn't expect such a relaps of personal hostility as you demonstrated it recently. But how ever since your tattle has as usual no real substance  and finaly only disgrace yourself. Not my problem. You are simply by far not that important, that this Forum should change its technology for you.

fahl5, since you are the least of my references for maturity, you fighting with everyone on so many threads, I totally don't give a ....... of what you think of me.

@Guy Bacos said:

fahl5, since you are the least of my references for maturity, you fighting with everyone on so many threads, I totally don't give a ....... of what you think of me.

This is as usual again a beautiful exsample how a member abuses a thread on a defined subject, to provoke personal hostility by simply stating

• not at all topic-related but only and explizitly personal directed, "fahl5, since you... "
• pretending verifyable wrong facts "you fighting with everyone on so many threads,"
• another User expliziztly debasing "...you are the least of my references for maturity"
• aggressive wording "you fighting with everyone","I totally don't give a ....... of what you think of me."

I really dont know neither what postings like this does in any way contribute to the topic of this thread here. nor what benefit ever that should have. I fear it only tends to create a generally more and more hostile aggresive comunication.

At least one can use this blatant exsample for the comunication problems of this forum. to make exactly those problems concrete which cause the original question of this thread.

I at least have the impression, as long the Administrator simply ignore this kind of behavior of pure personal hostility without absolutly any relation to the purpose of Furom it will literally support it and all who act like this user who all will continue to do so. While i believe already instant admonitions from the responsible Administrator will in most cases be able to moderate much of what currently pollute again and again the communication here.

fahl5, you aren't very clever, if you were really dedicated to this thread or any other threads, you would simply ignore me and others who you think are derailing the thread, or just write a brief post, but instead you write endless preaching posts, so you are totally contradicting yourself. Do you realize this? 

@Guy Bacos said:

fahl5, you aren't very clever, if you were really dedicated to this thread or any other threads, you would simply ignore me and others who you think are derailing the thread, or just write a brief post, but instead you write endless preaching posts, so you are totally contradicting yourself. Do you realize this? 

Again I answer not on what you self obviously think would be only worth to be ignored and I think you are absolutly right in this estimation. I just answer the topic of this thread. Since for this Topic your posting is as I said a blatant exsample for the existing problems. which makes obnviously again and again people ask for a technical function to ignore. "Do you realize this?"

And BTW fahl5 I know my contribution to VSL, musically with demos for over 14 years and my regular input on several forums helping others with VSL products, so I certainly don't need YOU to be the judge of that. 

@Guy Bacos said:

And BTW fahl5 I know my contribution to VSL, musically with demos for over 13 years and my regular input on several forums, and helping others with VSL products, so I certainly don't need YOU to be the judge of that. 

I really do not understand what exactly you answer here. Has anyone stated anything about what you might have done in the last years? Why should I judge that at all? I dont see any reason and therefore did not. So what excatly is your problem?

Or did you think what ever you self might think about what you have done in that time allows you to act that personal hostile abusive and aggresive against other members?

Dont you fear that with an aggresvie behavior as you show constantly against my person you self could damage what ever might perhaps founded an estimation in those years for you more than I ever would have any interest in to do so.

Why dont you just try to keep what ever estimation you think you have just with keep being the nice guy you want to be? Just another suggestion which seems to me much more efficient thatn any technical solution other asked here for. 

@Guy Bacos said:

And BTW fahl5 I know my contribution to VSL, musically with demos for over 13 years and my regular input on several forums, and helping others with VSL products, so I certainly don't need YOU to be the judge of that. 

I really do not understand what exactly you answer here. Has anyone stated anything about what you might have done in the last years? Why should I judge that at all? I dont see any reason and therefore did not. So what excatly is your problem?

Or did you think what ever you self might think about what you have done in that time allows you to act that personal hostile abusive and aggresive against other members?

Dont you fear that with an aggresvie behavior as you show constantly against my person you self could damage what ever might perhaps founded an estimation in those years for you more than I ever would have any interest in to do so.

Why dont you just try to keep what ever estimation you think you have just with keep being the nice guy you want to be? Just another suggestion which seems to me much more efficient thatn any technical solution other asked here for. 

fahl5, do you realize how many times you've accused others of aggresive and hostile behaviour? The fact that you are insiting sooooooo much on tha with anyone who contradicts you, makes me believe you are projecting. Hope you know what that means. 

@Guy Bacos said:

fahl5, do you realize how many times you've accused others of aggresive and hostile behaviour? The fact that you are insiting sooooooo much on that, makes me believe you are projecting. Hope you know what that means. 

I accuse not "others".(It would not help you to try to generalize a problem which is simply open and unmistakenable visible in your behavior against me.)

I even do not accuse you as person. I only accuse the hostile and aggressive behavior against my person each time you do so nothing more nothing less.

do you realize that. You have steped in here with nothing but pure personal directed aggresions against my person?.

Do not ttry to make the one who simply mentions that to the problem.  If you pretend verifiable wrong things to debase my person as you did again here. Than the inability of holding that back is your problem. Do you realize that! And if you can not hold that back this problem becomes to a problem of this forum.

I would stop if I were you fahl5, the moment someone contradicts you, you cannot post ANYTHING with accusing others of aggresive and hostile behaviour. 

Guy, your contributions are obvious to all who appreciate the highest standards.  Those that argue vociferously with you, do so because they are all too aware of their own shortcomings, and simply can't come to grips with this fact.  Continue to inspire musicians with your talent, and leave the mosquitos to draw blood elsewhere.  When they realize how they've alienated absolutely everyone on this forum, they will buzz away and start the process all over again on another forum (which they've done numerous times in the past decade).

Cheers!

Dave

@Guy Bacos said:

I would stop if I were you fahl5, the moment someone contradicts you, you cannot post ANYTHING with accusing others of aggresive and hostile behaviour. 

Excatly that is true, no matter if someone contradicts me or not, I simply never accuse a Person as person at all. insofar you are righht I do "not post anything with accusing others of aggressive and hostile behavior". I mention that fact only in the pretty rare circumstances someon pretends somthing personal directed insulting based on false pretention. And I must confess. as you can easyly verfy in my last nearly 800 postings here there are not that much who made such mentions necessary.

@Guy Bacos said:

I would stop if I were you fahl5, the moment someone contradicts you, you cannot post ANYTHING with accusing others of aggresive and hostile behaviour. 

Excatly that is true, no matter if someone contradicts me or not, I simply never accuse a Person as person at all. insofar you are righht I do "not post anything with accusing others of aggressive and hostile behavior". I mention that fact only in the pretty rare circumstances someon pretends somthing personal directed insulting based on false pretention. And I must confess. there are not that much who made such mentions necessary.

You are too funny fahl5, what you write is not worth taking seriously. 

Mute fahl5.

Dave, Appreciate this. Cheers! 

@Guy Bacos said:

You are too funny fahl5, what you write is not worth taking seriously. 

I would say the whole conversation you held with me in this thread about mute function does not show on your side any concrete relation to the topic of that thread. What exactly do you indent with pretending constantly weird things what I alledgely can or can  "with others" etc. If you have a concrete probhlem name it and I am sure we can find a solution.

But if you just pretend and insinuate again and again things which are likely to debase me, without having even tried to become concrete only in a single matter to solve anything. (Ask me if you need concrete exsamples form ypur postings towards my person but I just dont want list them all here, if not being asked for)

What exactly is your purpose than? I fear what ever it is what  you currently do will achieve absolutly nothing of what ever you might have indeded as long you ar not able to ask for any concrete problem to solve.

@Acclarion said:

Guy, your contributions are obvious to all who appreciate the highest standards.  Those that argue vociferously with you, do so because they are all too aware of their own shortcomings, and simply can't come to grips with this fact.  Continue to inspire musicians with your talent, and leave the mosquitos to draw blood elsewhere.  When they realize how they've alienated absolutely everyone on this forum, they will buzz away and start the process all over again on another forum (which they've done numerous times in the past decade).

Cheers!

Dave

Well said Dave! 

Guy, please don't let personal attacks deter you from the great job you're doing in sharing with us how you are making the most of the new VSL ibraries.  Lets keep the ship steady and on course and maybe even teach some skills to those who have the most to learn.