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Hi guys, no offence but what do you like about the sound (not your programming, Steffen? The too bright violins? The missing mids?
The Synchron Strings have potential but at the moment they are lagging behind in respect to Orchestral and Dimenson String. Those sound much more organic. Don't you think?
That was quite well done, and an excellent demonstration of the library. Thanks for posting it!
Let me first thank you all for all the friendly reactions.
Hi MMKA
yes I do have some problems wis the D1 of the Synchron Strings, since it does resonate somehow so strong that I always have to level down the Bass, when ever he plays that tone. (That was indeed the difference between the first and second corrected Version.
Hi William
No no "old libraries" included. Only the synchronized Chamberstrings in a few divisi-Passages. While some discussions here tease me a bit to demonstrate with a comparison, how far some judgements are founded or only more or less assumed.
But however I decided to keep on exploring the Synchron Strings which is much more interesting for me. I once programmed a comparison of String-quartets. But this is indeed much work and for all Producers which did not produced the best a bit frustrating.
Hi muzisculp
In order to keep everything (Sy-Str + synchroniced-Ch.Str.) compatible I chose Presets that seemed to me combinabel that mean for all Synchon Strings the "Classic Surround to Stereo" and for all synchroniced Ch.Str. "Classic". You know that VSL add in their Presets some of the inbuild Synchron-Player Reverb. I just took as it was set in those Presets. Insofar most you hear are Synchron Strings you hear mostly Close, Mid, Back, Main, Main-C, High, High-Sur
Hi Veola,
"to bright", "missing mids" ? I would suggest the VSL of course hesitated to "pimp" up any real recording with increase mids with any EQ and this will many acoustic details necessary to associate what hear with whatr we are used to hear from a Violin-Section (!) nevertheless. I also think if you are a composer you know that the prior way to shape the acoustic balance is not EQ-ing but how you distribute the different String-voices if you want to achieve something more deep and warm or something more airy. It is for me a quality that this library is open for both and does not already restrict the musical usage on a certain clishee of how Samaplelibrary reviewer expect something "hollywoodian" should sound like or not. But this is of course just my personal view and taste. Nevertheless I believe you can have the colors you are looking for, if you are really looking for an know what a traditional orchestral composer would do to get a certain String-color.
Thank you richikey and belkina for your friendly and encouraging reactions.
Please keep in mind that I fear if anything than foremost Robert Fuchs has the greates part in making you reacting that friendly on the music recorded here. It is his music and I just do like it as it is.
Exactly, I don't want to EQ the piece! The lows are beautiful but the violins are too bright. Again, no offence but in your piece the violins are too dominant. Cutting through the piece like a piano, only in a bright, almost painful way. Just take the time to listen to Orchestral or dimensional strings. Much more balanced. BTW, I now have the impression the this lib is not intended for classical music. If you guys are happy I am fine. But I would bet some money that you won't convince a client to buy a piece made with this lib and only this lib. And if you do, please let me know. (Please don't comment that you are only using this lib for mockups. You can use Kontakt for this and don't need a 600euro lib)
Oh Veola....
.....you obviously really try it hard - 😉 what ever it would be what you try with downwriting the Synchron strings in each single of all the 10 postings you have ever posted here in this Forum.
"the violins are 'dominant'" - Imho that is not that surprising for a traditional stringorchestra composition..
"not intended for classical music" ???? "classical" Thanks God, that no one has done any 18th century "classical" music with it yet. Robert Fuchs for example is just about 100 Years to late for "classical" music and all other I have done with also have been music from the romantic 19th century..
Or did you really mean "classical" in the sense of any orchestral music founded in european tradition, and since the Stringorchestra is based in excactly this tradition you would mean in short "not intended. for any orchestral music at all" Puh that would be really an extremly courageous argument. OK I next time better ask you what music a sample-library is "intended" for. I am sure you will say me what I am allowed to do.
Kontakt-Libraries?! defenitly not for me!
But if that is really enough for you, no one keeps you to make your own expireinces with. Go for them, and than continue downwriting thoses Samplelibraries in their Forums, if that is what really interests you:
@fahl5 (BTW, are you being paid by VSL? Just out of curiosity)
No they are paid by me😎
No, parallel Version. Even with my pretty efficient streamliend Workflow it is alway tedious to do the same thing twice. I have done that to test different Stringsquartetlibraries once, but without any real benefit for me. The pieces I program currently are only done for the purpuse to get familiar with programming Syn.Str.
I think I better avoid repeating arguments already often enough posted here. It is more interesting to work on further Projects instead.
And honestly to be kind of a bit rude: Each Library has its downsides. And the more current Libraries answer problems previous Libraries have had. If you want to judge the Progress compare the Cube Orchestral Strings with Synchron.
I dont think there would be any project where I would in general prefer using the Orchestral Strings. But since I keep always each VSL-Library loaded I am of course still always ready to chose the most apöpropriate patch for a certain passage while currently I do not see much reason for.
The Dimensionstrings are something completly different. They always have been especially great for many occasions already not covered by the Orchestral Strings of the Cube. And of course I will continue to use them in this way. I think you can see this if you consider which kind of music I have chosen for my Syn.Str.Tests (this is just a limited certain stylistic fraction of what I usually do with VSL-and ofther Sample-.Libraries. Just the Music which demands full develped orchestral Stringsections.
Again I recommend you to take a look on the EQ-Settings in the Synchronplayer-Mixer. They seem to me programmed to emphazise very much the brilliant Overtonespectrum. This is obviously not what the original sample sounds like.
@Legato:
OK to be honest VSL has invented the Legato. They did not fall back their own invention. But one should learn to use it in the way you are looking for.
@frustration.
I know it seems to be kind of arrogant, but I think there is kind of a different attitude. Being either more the consumer type (the one who blame the stationery shop, that his pencil does not paint the Mona Lisa by it self) or the explorer-nerd-typ just curious to explore each new possibility learning thus what might work best in which occasion. And believe me, the Synchron Player is that much packed with resaonable options, that it needs its time to get the best out of it. Yes perhaps frustrating for those who are used to start the CD-Player to listen tro music. How ever I have my fun. Hey there are even with Synchron-Strings from time to time people who like what I do😃. No need to be frustrated even if there are also some who dont 😢 as you seem to be. Excuse me I fear that was pretty ugly and selfish again for me, stating to have fun while others suffer so hard. But the only way I can help any one is sharing the results I can get.
Absoluately, we may want to use this lib for different purposes. But I am asking myself why VSL released a lib that can't compete with others, for example Berlin Strings. Its pointless.
Let me elaborate on the Mona Lisa example. VSL promissed a set of different brushes, different colour so we COULD attemp to draw the Mona Lisa. What did they deliver? Some brushes are missing and some colour are wrong. Not even Da Vinci could paint the Mona Lisa again!!! That's the point!!!
That's why I am so upset, because the lib has potential but they screwed up and covered it up. VSL, you need to stand by it and improve!
Absoluately, we may want to use this lib for different purposes. But I am asking myself why VSL released a lib that can't compete with others, for example Berlin Strings. Its pointless.
Let me elaborate on the Mona Lisa example. VSL promissed a set of different brushes, different colour so we COULD attemp to draw the Mona Lisa. What did they deliver? Some brushes are missing and some colour are wrong. Not even Da Vinci could paint the Mona Lisa again!!! That's the point!!!
That's why I am so upset, because the lib has potential but they screwed up and covered it up. VSL, you need to stand by it and improve!
Berlin Strings ??? OMG. In no way. I fear they even cant compete with the Synchronized Chamberstrings with their small section size and bunch of more or less cheap scripted Tricks. Imho, the Berlin's is an attempt that even scarcly reach what the Cube already delivered 10 Years ago. I fear if ever Leonardo would be frustrated than if he would be forced to work with limited tools like that.
Funny kind of conversation! OK lets continueto struggle about the most entertaining fomulated "opinion".😃
(@veola: BTW Are you being payed by Orchestraltools? ...must be a hard Job😛)
