Most people run very cpu intensive things like Altiverb on their DAW. I have a Dual 2.7 G5 and it just can't handle all that processing so it's time for a MacPro.

i am just wondering what the requirements for VE Pro will be for OSX. 

Why I ask is that I would like to use it on my G5 PowerMac running OSX10.4 (Tiger)... why you ask? Well I want to run my synth plugins from there (and, to be specific my Neuron VS plugin which is PPC/Tiger compliant only). Will this be possible?

My other option would be to use a PC with XP, but then the question is, would VE Pro on that platform support a plugin which was only VST 2.1 compliant?

 i don't have the latest infos available but would strongly suggest to no longer support PPC (for hosting third party instruments) on the slave side - this is a dead end currently and doubles the need for code, development and maintenance.

VST is basically backwards compatible, though details are often surprisingly different between the specification and the real world ...

christian

@cm said:

 i don't have the latest infos available but would strongly suggest to no longer support PPC (for hosting third party instruments) on the slave side - this is a dead end currently and doubles the need for code, development and maintenance.

VST is basically backwards compatible, though details are often surprisingly different between the specification and the real world ...

christian

WOW! Selfish much? I'm sure if you were actually USING a PPC as a slave this wouldn't be your opinion! I dont see why both platforms cant be included. If you want yours faster, develop for the intel first.  I have not problem with that. But it doesn't mean you have to drop PPC. Heck, VSL develops for both XP & Vista, why not PPC and Intel? There are plenty of people using PPC computers, especially as slaves, and forcing them to look elsewhere for solutions could potentially hurt the customer base. 

 Hello ,

so If I understand : gigastudio can also be played in a slave computer..can you confirm?!! if yes you will have another buyer!

best regards

dup

 selfish or not ... please note i stated: as a slave. you certainly know there is a basic difference how PPC and x86/x64 processors and operating systems handle data (big vs. little endian, different calculation units, ect)

since a long time no PPC computers are produced, so we can't expect them to become more or more powerful - PPC are often not even powerful enough for Vienna Instruments only, they are definately not powerful enough for the Vienna Suite convolution reverb.

forget G4s completely ... you can use them for browsing, emailing and your homework, possibly some very basic and low level musical work (in the sence of performance requirements).

you could still use a G5 as master (many PT users are so to speak locked to this platform) and PPC plugins.

XP, VISTA, Windows7 (and to some extent even windows 2000) does not require different development, only for AMD processors a few additions have to be made ... so nothing needed to be doubled here.

sorry, but we have to face reality - would apple have decided to continue producing computers with the G6 processors it would be another story.

christian

 we didn't have GigaStudio installed since a long time now and it does not work as a plugin.

AFAIK we never had installed GVI (which works as plugin) and i'm not sure we even have ever received a license ... so this has not yet been tested, but it should work as it is at least VST 2.1 if i remember correctly

christian

Hey guys,

I would like to get Vienna Ensemble Pro when it gets released to run VST plug-ins on my laptop slave.  Problem is my laptop only has 100 megabits.  Would thsi be enough?

 you would be able to run a few things, but basically gigabit is a system requirement.

christian

@cm said:

 PPC are often not even powerful enough for Vienna Instruments only, they are definately not powerful enough for the Vienna Suite convolution reverb.

Thank you for further explaining your position, but I must once again disagree with the statement above. As a Dual 2.5 Ghz PPC G5 user, I just finished 6 full orchestral mockups using VSL and it worked GREAT! I ran combination of Opus 1, VSL SE & VSL VI Solo strings, chamber stings, and Appassionata strings between 38 EXS instruments, a full VE (15 instances with an average of 3 patches each) and 6 additional VSL VI's in Logic 8.0.2, all with directional mixer and most with EQ. Granted I'm running close to capacity, but to say a G5 can barley run VSL VI is 100% FALSE! I do it everyday, and can post links to some mp3's if you'd like. Granted this is not "as a slave" but rather on my main DAW, but I would think a slave would use even LESS resources, as you dont have to run your DAW as well. 

I think my playcount above would be extremely valuable as a slave, dont you? And there are plenty of others out there who run happily still run PPC G5's. Obviously in the future PPC numbers will diminish, but why cut out this customer base right now?

http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46125

http://www.logic-users-group.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5644

http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=40118&highlight=ppc+show+numbers

http://vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12278&highlight

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?p=618477#post618477

p.s. anyone know why the line breaks in my posts dont work anymore? They use to work fine...hmmm they worked after my edit. Odd. 

set editor mode to advanced in your profile to get linebreaks with safari (and more options)

 i don't generally disagree with your reply and if used in a disciplined manner you can get far with a G5 (and you are probably still on 10.4)

on one hand a slave might need a litle bit less resources if used over network (audio output) but on the other hand we add network load and third party plugins would strenghten the multitasking capabilities even more ...

we can't expect groundbreaking development or new machines for PPC, so adding new stuff 2 years after this platform has been retired is a waste of resources IMO. not even apple touches the kernel functions for PPC anymore ...

christian

Thanks for the info.  Would I be able to run 1 instance of altiverb on 100 mbits ethernet?

 sorry i don't understand - altiverb over ethernet - how should that work?

Well once Vienna ensemble pro comes I heard it can host VST plugins.  So would it be possible to host Altiverb on a slave PC?

you could insert altiverb into VE computing some audio signal also generated on the slave,

you could not run altiverb via VE to just take the load from your host for a track on your host,

third party support in VE means primary you will be able to load instrument players into VE (eg. kontakt)

christian

Thanks Christian,

I had no idea I wouldn't be able to load vst plugins on my slave using vienna Enemble Pro.  So is FX teleport my only option to do this if I don't want to purchse an audio card for the laptop?

maybe i've not been clear - you cannot simply offload effects from your host, but you could insert it into a slot within VE3.

but to insert it you would need something to be inserted into ... from the host comes midi, returned is audio - whatever you insert then on the slave, there must be any instrument playing (producing sound) on which effects can be applied.

christian

I think that the point is that VE Pro does not send audio from the host to the slave. VE Pro will receive only MIDI on the slave and will send audio back to the host. So audio is one-way.

So yes, FXT is the only app that does that.

@digiot said:

if VE Pro will run as a 64bit-App. on OSX 10.5

yes, and probably we will actually see an *intermediate* version (without PRO but with 64bit support).

for plugins some AU specialist needs to step in ...

christian