@Dietz said:

I don't think so. Vienna MIR Downlad will work only with Vienna Instruments for now, so all customers would get a discount ;-D

By the way, I would like to ask Dietz or someone at VSL's technical team, regarding the performance of the i7 machine, the one used at Namm to host MIR? I believe Dietz mentioned that it was an i7 965, with 12GB of ram. Could someone please, give some estimate of how much ram does one hall consumes, and perhaps how much CPU power was being used? etc.. thanks

Thanks for your interest, Hose!

The numbers from the NAMM-show are not valid for the final product, as the engine has undergone yet another optimization process in regard of RAM usage. Apart from that, all sets of Multi Impulse Responses differ a lot in size, depedant on the length of the reverb in the hall (up to 10 seconds), and the number of individual stage positions we recorded (between 25 and 40). - 12 GB of RAM seem to be a reasonable size, though, especially when using the Vienna Instruments's RAM Optimization feature.

CPU consumption, OTOH, relies mostly on the number of instruments actually playing on stage, the chosen output format, and the global latency settings. The i7 I used for the NAMM and Musikmesse presentations showed an average of 50 to 60 % of CPU-power for "Also sprach Zarathustra", with about 25 individual Vienna Instruments playing at the same time during the final chord - in 5-channel surround, at a latency of 2048 samples. The same piece should put less than half the load on the CPU in stereo. Very low latency settings will tax the CPU disproportionately high; we got reasonable results with 256 samples with the RME HDSP-audio system we used, but not with big arrangements.

... all these numbers may be subject to change without prior notice, of course! ;-)

HTH,

Thanks for your reply. Right now I already use two machines to host VEs only, and other machines for other plugins. Therefore, I wish that maybe MIR will be able to run on a seperate machine by itelf, and just like VE3, it will be able to stream all the audio transfers through network. I think this will give us the abilty to have a large orchestral template under our finger tips, and then use ram optimization where neccessary only, instead of stressing one machine to do all the work, and having to use ram optimization more frequently. Thanks Damian.

I completely understand your whishes - but the first version of Vienna MIR will be a "closed" system, sorry to say so. Our developers will concentrate on the issue of including signals from the "outside" for MIR Premium Edition.

Kind regards,

Yes, yes ofcourse! I did not assume that a certain feature like this will be available for the download version. I just said so because, since the Premium Edition will be able to host 3rd party plugins, and seems to have several other exclusive features, I thought it would be great to have this capability aswell. Many thanks:)

So If I may ask .. What's the hang up with a Download version for Mac OS X? I understand the DVD version with have a Mac version, but why not the download.

@hetoreyn said:

So If I may ask .. What's the hang up with a Download version for Mac OS X? I understand the DVD version with have a Mac version, but why not the download.

Hello Dietz

>2. Waiting for a full-fledged 64-bit Mac OS

I do not understand this, Native Instrument has now THE Kontakt 64 bit MAC OS version on public beta

Best

Cyril

 well, VSL and NI are two seperate companies ... though you have seen VI/VE versions labeled as public beta at VSL from time to time this is not to become a rule ...

64bit VI/VE versions are on the schedule (and maybe it will be decided to publish a not 100% perfect version as public beta) but for MIR there isn't even a public beta available for windows ;-) so lets do things step by step ... and not cluck too much about unlayed eggs.

christian

 MIR is recommended for i7 processors if I recall. Is that also the case with the DL version or?

@Christian Marcussen said:

 MIR is recommended for i7 processors if I recall. Is that also the case with the DL version or?

 It seem allot of work went into  making the MIR. I know you already have a short video on the VSL site. But i hope you guys documented the process of the good and bad of creating the MIR. Maybe with the DVD version have a short documentary about it creation. Almost like getting a golden ticket to Willie Wonka factory.   Because the way it sounds with allot of amazing studios and Halls closing this is going to be a big event when it comes out.

Just a thought.

hi vsl team,

is there any news concerning a release date for the MIR (the convolution reverb) really made me even more curious!

Thanks for your interest, Patrik.

Actually Vienna MIR Downloadable is ready. We are giving it a few extra testing-cycles and polishing touches, though. The offcial release is only a few weeks ahead, unless the beta-testers encounter a real show-stopper.

HTH,

 If MIR sits inside the Vienna Ensemble (and it does, yes?), then why do both MIR and VE need 3rd party vst support?

Please excuse my ignorance :)

My understanding from reading the forums is that MIR initial release does not sit inside VE3.  In it's first release MIR is not setup for audio over ethernet.  I am sure they will implement a network version in the future (as they said they are looking into it).  But the first release you will need a machine with a dedicated audio interface to connect to your sequencer.  So if you are running a dedicated VE3 machine now and a seperate DAW machine you will need to get another audio interface for whatever machine you run MIR.

Maestro2be

 just to have that added: MIR can for sure not be run on *whatever machine* ... we have tested it on an i7 965 XE (3.2 GHz) with 12 GB memory ... i would assume an i7 920 (2.66 GHz) or 940 (2.93 GHz) would do the job also pretty well since speed of memory bus is the most important factor.

btw: the systems have hyperthreading enabled (4 real and 4 virtual processors) since this setting allows better load balancing for the calculation units, also the 8MB L3 cache seems to help a lot ...

interestingly an 8 core XEON 3.2 GHz i5400 board did not deliver a performance even close to the i7 ...

christian

Thanks for interjecting Christian.  All I meant by "whatever machine" was the machine he decides to run MIR on.  Whether or not his machines make the requirements of being able to run MIR is completely seperate from, does it run over a network or run within VE3.  Obviously "whatever machine" he decides need not only meet some super hardware requirements, but also have a dedicated audio interface since it is not networkable.

Maestro2be