@drew buchan said:

Hmmmmm I have to admit I am a bit perplexed by this announcement. I do think the PowerPanner looks truly innovative, especially if the pre-sets are pre-configured for each section of the orchestra. BUT ... apart from the PowerPanner, I don't understand why a) people think a bunch of plug-in EQs and Compressors is innovative, and b) why VSL are spending development time on these. Back in the spring I did make a post requesting that PowerPanner from VE was incorporated in VI, but the answer was to use the capabilities of Cubase or buy Waves S1. Perhaps the answers are; - VSL are developing these as component parts of MIR anyway, and since they are ready to can be released as a separate package to create a new revenue stream. - Maybe they are optimised for the VSL samples. I would be very interested in buying the PowerPanner separately, but the overall package looks expensive to me. Sorry not to be a bit more positive. I am a big customer of VSL, (having spent thousands of pounds over the years) to acquire various horizon packages , the full cube, chamber II, appassionata II and several downloads ... so I'm not a tight fisted individual, so I don't feel I am being impertinent to question this release. (Looking forward to a big band library 😉 What makese these EQs and compressors special?

Hi

I too would find it hard to drop this amount on eq's and compressors. Like most people on here, I have already spent alot of money on these type of products with things like the UAD Neve plugins, TC powercore etc. 

However what would definitly interest me is the power panner, I think it would be a good idea to sell the lot for say 375 euro or the option to purchase each individually for 70 euro. I think you would find alot of people willing to purchase the power panner who don't need the other components. I know it is more work on the download side of things but I really feel it would pay off in the long run.

Just my 2 cents! Still love all VSL products, keep up the good work.

Thanks!

Hi Tim,

are you sure that scanning takes so much time?

It takes just a few seconds for my 6 extended libreries

I think you are musunderstading the time for loading Vienna samples with the time for dongle scanning.

I hate the challenge response because everytime I change something in my PC (and they are really many) I have to write and wait for a code

even if I save the things.

Maybe one day my vienna-key could be broken or lost and I could change idea...

but until that day I prefer so much to have the opportunity to use it wherever I want.

I work on 4 computers in different buildings and is a fine thing to have Vienna on them all and use it when I need it.

I am half a computer programmer and half a musician.

When I worked for a software-house we did never have a problem with dongles we have sold to protect our works.

Sergino

Hi All,

These plug-ins look really exciting and the price is very reasonable considering all that is being offered in the Vienna Suite.  However, I'd like to know what are the specific performance advantages of a 64-bit plug-in over a 32-bit plug-in for things like EQ, Compression, Spacialization, etc?  Also, does a performance advantage translate into a sonic advantage as well?  In other words, can you hear the difference between the 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the same EQ plug-in as an example?

Thanks, Brian

@Brian said:

Hi All,

These plug-ins look really exciting and the price is very reasonable considering all that is being offered in the Vienna Suite.  However, I'd like to know what are the specific performance advantages of a 64-bit plug-in over a 32-bit plug-in for things like EQ, Compression, Spacialization, etc?  Also, does a performance advantage translate into a sonic advantage as well?  In other words, can you hear the difference between the 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the same EQ plug-in as an example?

Thanks, Brian

Thanks DG.

A question for the VSL Team.

Will a Vienna Suite user be able to use Vienna Suite plug-ins on both the Slave and Host machines at the same time?

I'm imagining a scenerio where I would want to use many instances of the EQ and Stereo Imaging plug-ins inside VE on the slave machine and also use the Dynamics and Master EQ plug-ins at the same time on the buses and main outputs of my DAW on the Host machine.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks, Brian

@Brian said:

Thanks DG.

A question for the VSL Team.

Will a Vienna Suite user be able to use Vienna Suite plug-ins on both the Slave and Host machines at the same time?

I'm imagining a scenerio where I would want to use many instances of the EQ and Stereo Imaging plug-ins inside VE on the slave machine and also use the Dynamics and Master EQ plug-ins at the same time on the buses and main outputs of my DAW on the Host machine.

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks, Brian

@Brian said:

Also, does a performance advantage translate into a sonic advantage as well?  In other words, can you hear the difference between the 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the same EQ plug-in as an example?

For an equalizer, using 64-bit math is absolutely essential. There is a big difference, especially in bass frequencies. 32-bit floating point simply does not offer enough resolution to appropriately calculate filter coefficients accurately, something which is even more apparent at higher samplerates. So to answer your question, yes - you can hear a difference!

Regarding 64 vs 32 in general, as DG pointed out earlier - there is a difference between 64-bit resolution and 64-bit architecture. Vienna Suite plugins still use 64-bit processing in the 32-bit versions.

@MS said:

For an equalizer, using 64-bit math is absolutely essential. There is a big difference, especially in bass frequencies. 32-bit floating point simply does not offer enough resolution to appropriately calculate filter coefficients accurately, something which is even more apparent at higher samplerates. So to answer your question, yes - you can hear a difference!

@DG said:

Interesting. I'd always been told that using 64bit plugs was more or less a waste of time. Obviously you know far more about this than I do, but I wonder that if 32bit float is not really enough, how does that translate to ProTools 48 fixed, which surely must be far worse?

DG

48-bit fixed point is better than 32-bit float for filter calculations. On Intel machines there is however not much penalty in using 64-bit precision, especially when using SSE2/3/4. On PPC 64-bit precision is a bit of a pain. The Altivec engine does not support 64-bit precision like its Intel SSE2 counterpart does and you end up with half the number of general purpose registers when using 64-bit precision on PPC.

I also find the Suite very interesting. Though looking at the GUI shots I wonder if the Power Pan Plugin also has a delay function to generate "Laufzeitdifferenzen" - (delay of the right or the left channel for simulating direction listening) sorry, don´t know the correct english word.

Best, Rainer

  The Vienna Suite is looking great, Team VSL.  I am very excited to try it out.

Nice suite with a set of often used plugins on a daw. But, because many people still own good EQ, Comp, Limiter etc. plugins, it would be nice if VSL will offer these as seperate plugins too.

It seems VSL spent some significant time to develop them as 64-bit plugins with best precision for ears that hear noises from outer space. But on the other hand, they've no time or they're not able to develop their plugins to the widely common native ProTools RTAS format for PC platform.

Bad.

Instead of develop the millionst eq on this planet, they should better take a look in their current products to make them more compatible for really all major platforms.

@Another User said:

With the power panning Dietz - what does one do? Just use it on a track by track basis?

Dear VSL Team,

If I loaded the Vienna Suite Power Panning plug-in on a track in the VE host on my slave computer, is it possible to adjust the parameters of that plug-in through the track automation on my master computer's DAW?

Currently I don't use VE and use the Waves S1 Stereo Imager on the tracks in my DAW.  I find that when the brass get really loud I like to bypass the S1 stereo imager and let the full stereo image of the brass instruments ring out.  I think this sounds more realistic and really gets more punch when you need it on big brass sounds.  I am hoping to be able to do something like this on a VE setup with the Vienna Suite power panning on my slave computer, but of coures I would need it to be automated so that I could adjust the paramaters at the right time in the music.

Thanks, Brian

Wow! I was caught by surprise when the demo finally showed up on the downloads page this evening, and installed immediately. I was in the midst of evaluating some other plug-ins that expire tomorrow, so couldn't devote much time to Vienna Suite, but already my first impression is that these are the most transparent native plug-ins I've ever used.

I don't normally use presets, but the ones provided are excellent, and given my limited experience with mixing orchestral content, I may well find them superior to my own experimenting -- at least as a starting point. I haven't been using much EQ with VSL yet, or much processing other than convolution reverb to be frank. Just panning, levels, and occasional EQ for specific instruments. That could change!

The Master EQ, which adds the shelving controls to the regular EQ, gave a Synchrosoft error as being unavailable on the license. Not sure if this was intentional or not, but I will have little trouble making my final evaluations based on just a few of the plugs (I have tried the multi-band and EQ so far and have been blown away by both, to the point that I may find I no longer need outboard gear!).

When I have more time and energy (hopefully tomorrow night), I will do a direct shootout of the EQ vs. MOTU's MasterWorks EQ, which believe it or not, even though it's free with Digital Performer, has continued to win hands-down in every shootout I've ever done of even the "best" boutique EQ's, in terms of transparency. Only the similar Sonnox Equaliser pips it out, and only in the higher frequencies.

Some serious mangling for pop productions is possible with these plug-ins as well, but the important thing is that the basic timbre doesn;t change. This is how I define transparency. I can even see using these plugs for special effect type processing for spoken word and even audio restoration nit-picking where standard audio cleanup plugs need to be augmented now and then. Great telephone preset BTW! 

I'll definitely be buying this. My timing will be based not on when the demo expires, but when the Jazz Drums become available. I'm hoping soon, because as soon as I became aware of this new library, I put on hold the completion of a revision to a jazz soundtrack I did a couple of years back (I'm hoping to formalise it finally into a release, as the original was done as a favour for a friend's student film project). 

Hi mhschmieder,

thanks a lot for your great feedback! [:)]

I just wanted to inform, that the Jazz Drumset is available for download in our User Area, when you have registered the Vienna Suite.

At the moment we are working on video tutorials for the Vienna Suite and the Jazz Drums, further more Factory Presets for the Vienna Suite, and at least a bundle of midifiles for the Jazz Drums.

best

Herb

 Hi mhschmieder,

great to hear you like it  [:)]

Just did some more tests with the Demo licenses for Vienna Suite and Syncrosoft LCC 5.4.10.4 - no troubles in any way.

I believe that the Syncrosoft Error has just been a glitch - please contact support@vsl.co.at if the error does not vanis!

Best, 

Paul