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    M

    Hi guys...it's been a while... [:)]

    popmann, if you're able to load both of those pianos with the 3GB switch turned on, I would bet that you have a separate graphics card in that machine which uses its own memory...? On the tests I've made with the /3GB switch on machines with shared memory for the graphics driver I couldn't load much before GS choked.

    Regarding the rumor that the /3GB switch wouldn't work with XP Home...it's false nowadays. If I remember correctly the support for 3GB in Home Edition came with an update, maybe SP1.

    /Mattias
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    P

    Rule #1 (for me) when building a PC system for ANY use...don't get a shared memory architecture video solution. Yes...256mb of RAM on a fanless ATI 9600. Even for a little web surfer, I've found integrated video (meaning the shared RAM, GPU-less on board variety) will cause noticable GUI drag--compared to a 10 year old graphics card (not that you could actually put a 10 year old card in a new PC, but...). 
  • F
    F

    Hello

    How much samples can be loaded (in %) on a 8GB slave machine (64-bit), when using the complete SE Plus Extended VI (and using VE3 ?)

    Thanks

    Fred
  • cmC
    VSL Team
    cmC

    here's the math: 133.370 samples x 64 KB per sample need 8.1 GB memory

    since one could load up to appr. 7 GB used memory on a 8GB windows 64bit machine this would be a theoretical value of 85%

     

    but: in a test i couldn't manage to get more than 3,9 GB load with the special edition only which has already 74.860 samples (or i've simply been too dumb to find the missing patches/matrices), so this means you can load every single patch and matrix from the Special Edition bundle into such a machine.

     

    of course this wouldn't make any sense for working on a real arrangement, one would load a much more selective preset ...

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    S

    You also have to take the VE instances and VI's memory consumption into account.

    Each VE is about 45mb and for each intrument instance you add its another 16mb - not much but it adds up. You typically end up with maybe 4 VE's with a total of say 50 instruments: Thats 1 Gb.

      
  • F
    F

    Thanks!

    While I know It doesn't make any sense to have every sample loaded, I just love it when everything is ready to play.

    But even at 70-75% of all SE loaded it's pretty cool.

    Fred
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    D

    Quick memory question:

    I have a slave PC (3GB RAM, XP Home, 32 bit) running Plogue Bidule as a host with the 3GB switch enabled. I am currently loading 2.7GB of samples into several instances of GVI within Plogue. If I upgraded to 6 or 8GB would I be abe to load an extra 2.7GB into VE3 instances within Bidule, as I noticed that VE seems to occupy a different process in the RAM usage? Or would I have to upgrade to XP64 to do this?

    Dom 
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    D

    You won't be  load more than 2.7-2.8GB of anything in XP 32bit.


    DG
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    D
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    @DG said:

    You won't be  load more than 2.7-2.8GB of anything in XP 32bit.
     

    Thanks Daryl.  So that means anything combined or 2.7GB per process?
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    @DG said:

    You won't be  load more than 2.7-2.8GB of anything in XP 32bit.
     

    Thanks Daryl.  So that means anything combined or 2.7GB per process?

    In total.

    DG
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    D

    Thanks. 64 bit upgrade is unavoidable then.... 

    Dom 
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    M
    I have a question - looks like you guys might know the answer, forgive me if it is dumb or has been asked before - I am using Ensemble Pro in a 32bit, XP machine, using a laptop (same 32bit OS) as a slave. If I were to buy an additional computer, but Win7 64 bit, could I run an instance of VE Pro in there @ 64 bit and still stay at 32 bit on the main (XP) machine.? I supect the answer may be no but it would be awesome if it was yes :) Thanks, Mike Nuendo 5.1, VI Pro, VE Pro XP Pro (32 bit), 9.2 Ghz Dual core AMD
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi Mike, 

    you can even mix different OS´s with VE PRO, as it works cross-platform. You can also run a 32-bit and 64-bit Server instance of VE PRO simultaneously on the same computer. 

    Best, 

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Head of Product Marketing, Social Media and Support
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    M
    Hi Paul, Woah ! That's amazing - so in a 32 bit setup, I can just add a 64bit Wn7 PC as a slave, therefore able to use all that extra ram without changing my setup in the main machine. Well cool :) I have had VE Pro a couple of weeks now and am very impressed, it's like FX Teleport on steroids. Heartiest congratulations. Thanks, Best wishes, Mike
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    H
    sounds like it works very well.ok ,got it .still got some problems
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    L
    I am a newby having trouble with CPU. Read the first few pages of this thread which looked useful and now my head hurts. a lot. I have been considering buying a new Mac even so as to get more RAM and superior powers but this thread seems to be suggesting that even if I get more RAM Vienna Instruments can't use it..?huh? I don't want to fork out for a new puter then it not work to fix my CPU problems... please can someone explain the headlines in english? thanks! (Macbook pro, 2.3GHZ, 4 GB)
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    N

    It is worth remembering that the thread is very old, and back when it started, a 64 bit o/s was not the norm, thus, back then, most computers could not address more than roughly 3.5 gigs of RAM.  That has totally changed now, and all VSL products are designed to be run in a 64 bit o/s, and indeed, some of them, such as MIR Pro, can only be run in a 64 bit o/s.

    If you get more RAM, you will be able to use it.  Even if your sequencer remains a 32 bit one, there are ways VSL can still access your entire RAM.  Overall, your goals, your sample libraries, and/or if you intend to get MIR PRo, and what you intend to write will influence how much RAM you will need.  For example, the SE libraries need less RAM than the full collections.

    For larger templates 24 gigs would be strongly recommended, and even 32 gigs could be of use.  Anything under 16 gigs may quickly become a bottleneck with larger orchestral compositions.  On the other hand, if you will be using just the SE libraries, 8 gigs would most likely be enough.
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    Many thanks Noldar! I have since managed to get things working again this weekend (the one core overload problem was getting me. Upgraded to Logic 9.1.8 so now able to tell Logic to use both cores plus selecting a blank no input audio track during playback seems to have sorted things for now (hoorah!). That said, I'm still going to investigate upgrading my setup. I am working in 64 bit across the board-in Kontakt/ Logic/VSL. Currently use NI session strings, Eastwest, and Vienna appassionata strings (full). My compositions have circa 30 parts and growing. I don't currently use effects plugins (just the inbuilt reverbs of the sample libraries).I may start doing my own mixing one day and also may purchase more samples. Given I am a Logic user gotta use a mac so I am considering either getting a single mac tower or a 2 computer setup. Mac as master, PC as slave. Given it strikes me as a technical headache to get two computers networked- even finding someone to do it for me no doubt tricky!- I wondered if a mactower with the kind of stats you're suggesting would be sufficient? albeit expensive :-( I note there seem to be a bunch of composers here on 2 computers, so wondered if there were advantages to a 2 computer setup besides cost?? (PCs being cheaper)
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
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    Off-topic side-note:

    @noldar12 said:

    [...] all VSL products are designed to be run in a 64 bit o/s, and indeed, some of them, such as MIR Pro, can only be run in a 64 bit o/s. [...] 

    Technically, you actually _can_ run MIR Pro as a 32-bit application. It won't get you very far, though. 😉

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library