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    @fizzyfox said:

    If I get a machine with 8GB of RAM, am I still stuck with 2GB of samples (3GB with tweak) or do I get access to the extra RAM for samples (using Cubase 4 + VSL VI's [WinXP])


    The time has now come - I have the funds and I'm buying the Cube within the next few weeks! - this is my final investigative phase, so prepare for more questions soon! [:D]

    Thanks very much in advance!


    Assuming your a PC, as far as I'm aware you will not be able to utilize more than the current 4GB unless you have XP or Vista64 and all hardware and software are 64bit compatible. And that is at least 12 months to two years down the line.

    The top end MACs can do around 7GB i believe at the moment.

    patience - it's coming.
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    Ah cool! But just to clarify - I would be able to load upto 4GB of samples with 8GB memory onboard? (PC+winXP)

    Cheers!
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    No, that wont be possible. Im no PC man, but I believe u will be closer to 3GB for total sample amount.
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    @Vagn Luv said:

    No, that wont be possible. Im no PC man, but I believe u will be closer to 3GB for total sample amount.



    With 4 gb on board and XP - can only get to 2.8 gb.


    Rob
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    hi,
    do you guys recomment a little vst host that is ok with LAA ? for the moment i use xlutop chainer but don't know if it supports LAA (send a mail so support)
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    @vgodzillas said:

    hi,
    do you guys recomment a little vst host that is ok with LAA ? for the moment i use xlutop chainer but don't know if it supports LAA (send a mail so support)

    No it is not LAA, although using LaaTiDo seems to work and is stable (at least for me). I believe that Forte is LAA, but I've only tested with it; not used it in real world scenarios.

    DG
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    ok i'll try LaaTiDo. But i red above that forte is not 100% safe [[:P]]
    a memory question : i have xppro sp2 and strings1&2 (full) but i registered only the standard (waiting form a mail to register extended) so extended is demo for the moment. my free memory is going down while i play [[:P]] is it a demo limitation or a bug ?? (0.5meg/sec)
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    @vgodzillas said:

    ok i'll try LaaTiDo. But i red above that forte is not 100% safe [[:P]]
    a memory question : i have xppro sp2 and strings1&2 (full) but i registered only the standard (waiting form a mail to register extended) so extended is demo for the moment. my free memory is going down while i play [[:P]] is it a demo limitation or a bug ?? (0.5meg/sec)

    Try the demo of Forte before you write it off. I can't help you with your memory drain. Have you done a memory check to make sure that it is not bad RAM?

    DG
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    lol i thought laatido was a vst host [:P] it's only a test right ? (i did a test on my mem.. all is fine except free memory is going down downd... to stop it i have to bypass the VST vsl ON/OFF)... naa i'll try forte then
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    Hi Mattias and all other friends I use your Memory Load Optimizer for GigaStudio( XR pro, Duo core with 2Gig of RAM), choose the setting 1 and has just bought the VI SE. I plan to buy the VI SE and install in the same computer. Whenever, I use the gigastudio 3, I will apply the settting 1 but before I use the VI,I will run the Memory Load Optimizer and press the revert to default settings and reboot the computer( as you suggest). Would this cause any problem? as I try not to buy another computer for VI if I can avoid Thanks for your help Tim Nguyen
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    So, here's my direct question for the gurus. XP here. Currently at 1.5gb. (512x2 and 256x2).

    Owner: VI solo strings and Chamber Strings.

    Seeing the challenges that 64bit PC users are having (with the hosts more than anything else)...it'll be a while before I make that move...and honestly, I'll probably just jump to Apple/Logic when I do. So for now...

    I've read above with 4gb RAM (and appropriate configuration) the VIs will see about 2.8 as addressable. Does anyone have a 3gb machine? What does that yeild? Can you still use the "3gb switch", but put in a manual amount for say 2.4gb for user mode? I guess I'm asking is that last GB really diminished returns? It will cost me twice as much to have 4gb than to have 3gb, given my current config. If it's going to make a difference of a few hundred mb extra--not worth it to me. But, if it'll take me down to say 2gb addressable, I might need to go ahead and pop for it.

    If it matters...host is Cubase4.
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    welcome langsons,

    well i don't want to sound sloppy, but 1 GB ram sticks (and i'd assume DDR2 in your case) don't cost a fortune ....

     

    the facts: 3 GB RAM minus 1 GB for windows = 2 GB for user space (minus something for other applications also needing user space)

    you can't leave less than 1 GB to kernel space ... the /3GB switch would actually be neccessary, because otherwise windows would divide the available memory into half (1,5 + 1,5) ... don't forget to set /USERVA=2048 (maybe a little bit less) ... and do not just change the boot.ini line but add an additional one ...

    christian

     

    edit: in any case i'd recommend to get memory modules with the right layout (double vs. single sided) and the most similar timing to your 2 x 512) - not all chipsets accept all memory sticks in every combination ... check your motherboard manual

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @cm said:

    edit: in any case i'd recommend to get memory modules with the right layout (double vs. single sided) and the most similar timing to your 2 x 512) - not all chipsets accept all memory sticks in every combination ... check your motherboard manual

    Crucial is a great source of information. You can even run their tool to find out what suits your PC.

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    So, yeah...if  it's the difference in 2gb addressable and 2.8gb addressable, it's settled--I'll replace all the RAM in the computer.

    Anyone want to buy 512x2 and 256x2 sticks of PC3200 Mushkin CAS2.5 RAM? ;)

    I added it up this morning. To load the full level 1 presets of both the chamber and solo strings, but leaving out the basses (it IS pop music)...I could get the full deal loaded in at 2.5gb. That, of course would be a tad over the top, as I doubt I'd need solo and ensemble strings for all three instruments in their full compliment of articulations on a single project...but, I like to plan for worst case scenarios. That's worth the extra $140, I guess. I'm already in deep enough to this string sequencing box--that's like chump change. [:#]

    Side note: how do you change your username here? I posted as Popmann (which I post elsewhere as)...but, that was likely before being a registered owner--so now, it looks like it's picked some sort of email address default. I went into what looked like my profile...but, username was greyed out. Ideas?
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    BTW...I've read the 3gb switch will be harmful to Gigastudio2. Does harmful mean it has less kernel level RAM to address...or that it doesn't work correctly?

    I really need to load GigaPiano and the Bosendorfer290 for my acoustic piano. If it's gonna screw it up all together, I'll either have to budget for Ivory or keep it as is.
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    @popmann said:

    Side note: how do you change your username here? I posted as Popmann (which I post elsewhere as)...but, that was likely before being a registered owner--so now, it looks like it's picked some sort of email address default. I went into what looked like my profile...but, username was greyed out. Ideas?

    reason #1 is that changing your username would mostly confuse other users ...

    reason #2 is that your forum account had another email than your account from the user area, so we have not been able to identify both as corresponding during merging the databases last year ... which now has happened

    christian

    and remember: only a CRAY can run an endless loop in just three seconds.
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    @popmann said:

    So, yeah...if  it's the difference in 2gb addressable and 2.8gb addressable, it's settled--I'll replace all the RAM in the computer.

    You'll probably fin that it's the difference between 1.5GB and 2.8GB. In fact, I can load more than 2.8 now that I'm using Vienna Ensemble, but I like to play safe.

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    @popmann said:

    BTW...I've read the 3gb switch will be harmful to Gigastudio2. Does harmful mean it has less kernel level RAM to address...or that it doesn't work correctly?

    I really need to load GigaPiano and the Bosendorfer290 for my acoustic piano. If it's gonna screw it up all together, I'll either have to budget for Ivory or keep it as is.

    The /3gig switch will almost certainly screw with GS. However, using GVI might be your best bet on this one. First thing to try is checking that the /3gig even works on your system in a reliable manner.

    DG
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    Thanks for changing the username, CM.

    I don't have the GVI, FWIW.  Before I would buy that, I would probably just buy Ivory to use for piano, since piano is the only major use. I guesss I do have some drum samples I like...but, I've also got BFD and decent hardware, so...

    I'll order up some RAM and cross my fingers.
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    FYI...resolution:

    I installed 4gb of RAM. Ran the 3GB switch w/ the USERVA=3328. Virtual memory is turned OFF.

    I can now get Cubase/VSL to load about 2.7-2.8gb of sample buffers, so, yes--C4 IS large address aware.

    On top of that, Gigastudio, which uses kernel memory, can still load both my Bosendorfer 290 and (yamaha) Gigapiano. Although, it chokes if you load much of anything else on top of them. So, no need to buy a user mode piano instrument. Giga will get me by until I find a nice Yammy U1/U3 to put down here.

    I did, for the record, first install 3gb total...but, while the 3gb switch did make Cubase/VSL "see" more RAM to load into, it didn't really change anything in the real world--it maxxed at about 1.7GB of sample buffers. Considering my OS boots into 110mb, and C4 uses about 100mb overhead, this factors correctly--the 3gb switch doesn't really work unless you've got more than 3 GB, even with the USERVA option set to 2.3 or 2.5gb, which are the options I tried. Like I said-it does make it "see" more, but it can't seem to utilize more than an untweaked default memory allocation.

    Oh, yeah...this also dispells the rumor that the 3gb switch only works with XP Pro, as I'm running Home. I've long told people that Microsoft said that it would work with either version of XP, but people didn't seem to believe me--proof is in da puddin'.