But will the vsl "sequencer" be PC only as well?
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...you seem to be asking as though I actually _know_ anything! [;)]
But, unfortunately, yes... PC-only. This is me extrapolating a great deal from previous hints and posts, but there's been pretty strong indications (connected mostly to MIR) that the "next generation" is PC-only, with Mac possibly to follow. I can't see them simply abondoning the Mac, but I certainly can see them waiting for the smoke to clear around the whole Intel switch -- seeing how that all plays out is pretty wise for any developer (except, perhaps, for those deeply involved in Mac development: Adobe, Macromedia, etc.).
cheers,
J.
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Good discussion about strings. It could also be the 'many many' variations of articulations or even variations of one articulations possible with strings.
Case in point. I did a quartet mock-up (Flute, Bassoon, viola, cello) that accompanies a real choir (for Christmas concert here in Utah). Had a rehearsal last night with just the instrumentalist. While the VSL Flute and Bassoon was NEARLY as good as the real thing (really very close) - the live cellist and violist put to shame my mock up. Putting slurs, portamentos, vibrato, dynamics, etc. in just the right spots.
Sure, I could have spent 8 more hours working on my mock up (If I even had that kind of time) but I would have still not gotten even close to the real deal. [:(]
Strings are really the backbone of the orchestra and I find myself too often 'writing to the samples' and 'tucking them in' - when all I want to do is let them soar!!!!
Let's see what VSL comes up with in a few days - I am sure it will get us closer - by how much, we shall see.
Rob
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I remember the talk from some time ago about intelligent (notation based, but with the midi editing capacity of sequencers) score writing software being part of the ultimate plan of the whole VSL project - I have been waiting a long time for such a thing to come about (Finale is getting there, but its at a crawl for reasons which remain incomprehensible to me). The fact that the integration with the VSL sample set would be just about 100% (I would assume!) would be a grand thing indeed (though I would hope that it would also be possible to program other samples to be incorporated into the 'user library' as well, for us sample gluttons who simply can't have enough of the damned things [[;)]], and who even have home made sounds that we would wish to keep using).
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@William said:
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THREE DAYS!!!! I CAN'T STAND IT ANY LONGER !!!!
The world will run out of oil, 666 will be the number of patches in the Cube, Bruce Willis won't come to save the human kind and I will go out for dinner with Jessica Rabbit.
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VSL PE's estimated 380,000 samples should keep users occupied for a while, but the company have more in store. The Viennese expansionists are working on a hard-disk edition called the Symphonic Cube, due for release later this year. All samples will be included in both 24-bit and 16-bit resolution.
Supplying sound libraries on hard disk makes it easy to manufacture different versions, and VSL are currently considering a flexible, user-orientated system in which content and sample resolution could be defined individually by buyers. The following new instruments have been recorded for inclusion in the Symphonic Cube.
SOLO STRINGS
Solo viola.
Solo double bass.
SMALL STRING ENSEMBLES
Six violins.
Four violas.
Three cellos.
Two double basses.
WOODWINDS
Small clarinet in E flat.
French oboe (with vibrato).
English horn (with vibrato).
WOODWIND ENSEMBLES
Three flutes.
Three clarinets.
Three oboes.
Three bassoons.
SOLO BRASS
Solo brass with mutes.
Viennese French horn.
Double horn (a type of French horn).
Triple horn (another type of French horn).
BRASS ENSEMBLES
Ensemble brass with mutes.
Double horn ensemble (x8 ).
VSL's new budget Horizon series, which offers themed packages like Solo Strings, Mallets, and Glass & Stones, combines selected VSL Pro Edition material with new instruments such as tenor and soprano sax, concert acoustic guitar, glass harmonica, verrophone, musical glasses and distortion guitar. These new instruments will also be
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Why did I buy Chamber Strings ... doh!!!!
source: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar04/articles/vienna.htm#18
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The article you post is ancient (from March 2004), and I think only confuses what is in store for us here (much of the 'new' instruments they reference - such as the solo and small string sections, were released as Horizon Products like Solo Strings and Chamber Strings). If you have enjoyed using Chamber Strings for the past months (as I have) why are you questioning your purchase of them?
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Yes of course [:O]ops:
And there will be the VIP or not so I dont have to pay for my Samples twice!!! [:D]
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Quite frankly, I'm interested in how they will make it less technical and more creative instead of just all the samples. If there is some way that it is like Synful, I will be happy. Just more samples and that is all won't excite as much as how they innovate with their tools [;)]. Of course, if the Choir was included I would be happy [:D]
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I'm expecting The Cube and MIR - If there is any kind of choir I will be genuinely suprised.
Soon it will be DAY 2... you with me Austin? [:)]
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I join in the chorus of hope for VSL ease and intelligence.
But there is a caveat when we compare VSL to Synful. VSL needs sample RAM. Synful generates its own waves and takes up only 32 MB of RAM.
So it's fine to imagine a program sorting through MIDI data, interpreting the articulations and rendering them on our behalf, as Synful does. But in VSL, those articulations first need to be loaded. I can't imagine that changing, and it does bring my dreams back to Earth.
But the greater truth is, VSL is being assembled by musical minds. And I find great encouragement in that, whatever they present to us. I'm so impressed that they are re-engineering VSL to empower the composer *as he conceives of music,* not as technology forces him to think.
Sometimes in Logic, I get that "tail wags the dog" feeling. And I think VSL is working hard to avoid just that.
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@Plowman said:
I join in the chorus of hope for VSL ease and intelligence.
But there is a caveat when we compare VSL to Synful. VSL needs sample RAM. Synful generates its own waves and takes up only 32 MB of RAM.
So it's fine to imagine a program sorting through MIDI data, interpreting the articulations and rendering them on our behalf, as Synful does. But in VSL, those articulations first need to be loaded. I can't imagine that changing, and it does bring my dreams back to Earth.
But the greater truth is, VSL is being assembled by musical minds. And I find great encouragement in that, whatever they present to us. I'm so impressed that they are re-engineering VSL to empower the composer *as he conceives of music,* not as technology forces him to think.
Sometimes in Logic, I get that "tail wags the dog" feeling. And I think VSL is working hard to avoid just that.
Nice post, Plowman. For as long as I've used Logic, I've never fallen in love with it. I would have avoided it altogether were it not for VSL.
I must say that if I've found this particular thread in any way entertaining, the VSL team must be thoroughly enjoying themselves while soaking in all the spec. Nothing like a mystery to get everyone chatting with vigor!
It will be most interesting to compare the long list of imaginatve feature requests on this thread with the actual package to appear soon-- and then to see which features suggested over the past few days will find its way in one incarnation or another to VSL in future updates.
Cheers!
JWL
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Plowman,
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that VSL is completely unlike Synful, even in the ways you suggest. After all, Synful is sample-based. It's just that they've turned to a sample-resynthesis method, rather than using the raw samples themselves -- the "library" is small simply because it consists only of control data for the resynthesis engine, not the complete original samples themselves.
Also keep in mind that with an intelligent front-end it simply is not necessary to pre-load all the articulations. The whole point of an "intelligent" front-end is that it no longer needs to load a complete "sample map" every time a new articulation is required. Rather, it is only necessary to load the sample for the desired articulation at the desired pitch. Very possible to do... in fact, I've even done it myself! (Yes, I will release it someday... but it's a little deflating when I imagine what VSL will/might be coming out with... gulp! It's all very exciting though.)
J.