@hermitage59 said:

We're all going to need an extra screen to see what Mir's doing. Aren't we?

I use a Belkin switcher which allows for a single screen, keyboard and mouse to control 4 PC's. They also make them to control 8 PC's and even MAC and PC. Still plenty of other things to think about but I wouldn't worry about extra screens.

My guess is that MIR is going to be so perfect for us VSL guys that it will be a must-buy whatever the considerations.

Dave Connor

@hermitage59 said:

We're all going to need an extra screen to see what Mir's doing.

Aren't we?

Regards,

Alex.

If you use XP Pro maybe you can use Remote Desktop.

DG

@clarkcontrol said:

[...] Lee makes another point that I would like to address: if only the pro user is the intended customer, does this mean that the "separate mixing team" concept is already changing? [...]
Clark

From my totally subjective, extremely biased point of view: A good planer doesn't make you a good carpenter.

Of course, new tools are meant to make life easier and to broaden our creative possibilities. But in the end, it all depends on your creative vision, your knowledge, your experience, and - in our case - a pair of decent ears, to make use of a new tool to its full extent. - You know, the GIGO-principle: Garbage in, garbage out.

[+o(]

All the best,

@hermitage59 said:

[...] (Perf-Leg Oriental leftlegged bone claves in 7 different dynamics, and 27 different articulations!)[...]
Alex.

[:D] So you already know about that ...?

Dave,
you've made mention of a belkin switcher to control 4 PC's. Even with my limited tech knowledge (Spartacus move over) I understand that process.

And i think from memory you're on PC, not Mac, so how have you lashed everything together, both audio and midi? And how do you have your samples allocated?

Regards,

Alex.

p.s. Just listened to Ludwig's Triple Concerto again. That fella can shore rite!
[H]

Dietz,
I've known about it since i got out of bed one morning and fell over.

[H]

OF COURSE!!! Ok, so I just finished a session recording myself heavy breathing, multisampling and looping as I went. I now have a ready-made porn-flick soundtrack tool ready for anyone dubiously lucky enough to be using VSL for such soundtracks!

I have always thought that a lovely bit of sensitive orchestral music would be so much more suitable as accompaniment to two or more people indulging in beautiful acts!!! (before anyone flames me, my tongue is in my cheek as I type, so to speak).

CM,

you mentioned way back in this thread that other additional DSPs had been considered for MIR. I had hoped that it would be available to run on the Powercore platform (I currently use a firewire powercore alonside Logic). Using such a universally available crossplatform device seems logical to me...or am I way off here on the requirements of MIR?

The main idea behind the MIR is a native engine, as computers get faster and faster over the time. - That said, there is still an option for additional hardware being involved.

Please - we try to be as talkative as possible, but we can't discuss the final appearance of a product that is in its late development stage, but not _ready_ for the market yet.

Thanks for your understanding.

Dietz

no problem, I understand. I'll be interested to see exactly how it is achieved.

Your interest is higly welcome, John (... of course this is true for all our esteemed forum-members, too).

@hermitage59 said:

We're all going to need an extra screen to see what Mir's doing. Aren't we?

I use a Belkin switcher which allows for a single screen, keyboard and mouse to control 4 PC's. They also make them to control 8 PC's and even MAC and PC. Still plenty of other things to think about but I wouldn't worry about extra screens.

I'm using a KVM switcher myself, but I wonder if this is going to be possible for that much longer. The new Windows Vista operating system requires a monitor with CP hardware built in that ties it to a specific computer. We may well end up needing a separate monitor for every PC we use.

Lee Blaske

It would be beyond ridiculous if KVM switches didn't work with the next version of Windows. And if you couldn't unplug one monitor and plug in another one if you damn well felt like it.

But even if what you say were true, I think the KVM switch loads the input even when it's switched to a different monitor, and it would becomes the ID.

... that's what somehow usable KVMs are already supposed to do with mouse and keyboard connectors also ...

but i think this is a misunderstanding: high resolution digital TV signals (same for DVD) will need a CP chip in the monitor for digital input - if they have not (or are connected via VGA) they will show low resolution (in best case) ...

christian

Ah. That's different. Thanks CM.

By the way my IOgear 4-port Miniview USB KVM works fine - with the exception that once in a while I have to power it on and off after first starting up to get my Windows machines to see the USB keyboard and mouse. But that's probably not the switch's fault, since it works fine on my Macs every time.

(Not a religious comment, just a USB comment - I'm not a USB fan at all.)

nick, this is a plug'n play issue i've also noticed often after a fresh install of windows - the USB keyboard is recognized as HID (human interface device) and not immediately useable after it has been detected (besides the fact that a motherboard has to support USB keyboards).
this is related to the order drivers are loaded - the keyboard driver is loaded very early during the boot process and USB device recognition happens later.
christian

Thanks cm. Is there a way to change that order, or does one just live with it (since it's not the end of the world)? For example, can you put a space at the beginning of one of the driver's names - or conversely a Z - to move it earlier or later in the list?

unfortunately not (at least using this method) [;)] but once the keyboard has been detected it should work everytime even during boot and after switching. if not you may need to enable *USB keyboard support* in your BIOS or change your KVM. i had one from ATEN with USB on the PC side and PS2 on the keyboard side - this was more or less unuseable and i had to change it to a KVM with USB on both sides and a *real* USB keyboard
christian

It doesn't sound to me like MIR is an elite product for the few but a necessary solution for what is now impossible: correct placement in space of each and every instrument. Gigapulse is designed to do something like this but you're out of processing after you place a couple instruments. So if there are (say) presets to chose from where all the VSL instruments are placed right where they belong and with processor issues, that would be great.

Dave Connor

And I agree with him.
Far from being an elite product, it seems VSL is trying to work with all of us, by configuring programming in such a way that mkaes it possible to get the best out of the samples, and provide a workaround the limitations in soft and hardware, so we don't have to.
I see that as something for everybody.

Our collective continuing problem is the inability of the hardware to keep up.
The common sense, non elistist approach, is to bolt on another machine, with the advantage of additional processor(s) and ram. Even i understand that.
And what's an additional Pc cost these days?
500 pounds for something reasonable that's capable of running MIR? Say 750 pounds, for a dual processor, multigig ram spec, for a program that Sir Dave of Langeles rightly says will actually do what we've been trying to muddle through with in stereo, no matter how 'enhanced' that stereo may be?
I see it as a simple solution to a challenge that's been going on for years, and as Sir Dave also said the solution gets even easier with presets.
Turn on, select preset, play orchestra with everyone sitting in the right place spacially, not in one long aural line across the front of the stage.
As as i wrote earlier, i'm keen to finish the project by finding out if it's possible to place samplers across the 'boxes', sharing the load, and increase the available track count.
Far from being elitist, i'm getting the impression we're all closer than ever before to realising the dream of everything working at once, without having to workaround.
The price of VSL is a serious but sensible figure for a serious and sensible investment. I would think it sensible to purchase a setup that allows VSL to be the Rolls it is, and not handle like a Ford.
3 Boxes, shared load, and the potential for no freezing or bouncing?

I can live with that.

Regards to you all,

Alex.