The whole reason for this undertaking was incredibly basic: longer sustains.

I could not accept the fact that my notes were dying on me before I wanted them to! And I simply do not have the time to do all manner of workarounds (no matter how ingenious [[;)]] ). Try explaining that to your client who's paying you by the hour!

Especially with something as revolutionary and beautiful as the perf.legato Violins.

But you're right about the samples: consistently and meticulously sampled across the entire range, even between different articulations. The stereo image is extremely stable. Any drifting would have made this crossfading exercise impossible. An outstanding achievement by VSL.

BTW, as much as I need to repeat this process for the Viola and Cello sections, I may pause. There may well be a new Strings revamp in the pipeline...

Glad that you've found this helpful, Plowman.

Best wishes,
Mike.

I can't wait for VSL to one day release instruments which are simply (for example):

VLN-14_Leg_L

"L" for looped.

I know it's a lot to ask (a huge undertaking), but brain surgery is alot to ask of it's customers as well. Aren't businesses supposed to make it as easy as possible on their customers? That's good business right?

So who's going to float the bill for longer legato notes without surgery? VSL or it's customers?

I still remember the day I found out that the destination notes were not looped, and were actually only a few seconds long. It was like all my excitement sucked right out of me. I said, "you mean we still have to work to make samples sustain?". It was a major frustration, and it surprised everyone I knew that bought VSL in LA. We just weren't prepared for that kind of "unpreparedness". In LA, there is NO time for tweaking or repairing. Only time to play it once perfectly. We actually laugh at those who have "studio time" to work and tweak. Things move fast in the high paying jobs, and any one of the well off composer's would gladly pay for convenient samples. Of course LA is a small sector for VSL, but I have never held any other standard higher than the ability to "pass" Hollywood standards. You have to be a well greased fighting machine to satisfy the LA crowd.

I think the idea of crossfading to a looped note with the mod wheel is a half solution, which may indeed yield it's own interesting results, ... but I and my colleagues will still await the day of full long destination notes with open arms and our big wallets!

Evan Evans

Would be great...

IMHO the brass needs even more lengthening than the strings

@Christian Marcussen said:

Would be great...

IMHO the brass needs even more lengthening than the strings

True. I was just saying, VLN-14 as an example. I'll modify that.

Evan Evans

I for one am encouraged that Herb announced the new mapped versions for EXS. I can't stand its interface for doing any serious editing. It sounds as though Halion has a leg up in this fashion, although it still remains tedious work.

One question, Herb:

I understand this is a huge undertaking and announcing these things in advance is not the wisest policy (with changing deadlines, etc.) but is there more info concerning this update that you can leak? Like which libraries will be available first with the new patches? Is there a general timeline over the next couple of months or something?

Oops, that's more than one question.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it. VSL continues to amaze me with their customer support.

Clark

Do you mean the updates with the new mappings of the performance legato instruments - the new versions where you can blend via modwheel to the sustains?

The EXS version should be online soon, in the next few weeks, probably shortly after NAMM.

best
Herb

Yes, you are correct.

That is wonderful news. I appreciate the fact that this product continues to evolve after the sale.

Thanks!

Clark

@herb said:

Do you mean the updates with the new mappings of the performance legato instruments - the new versions where you can blend via modwheel to the sustains?

The EXS version should be online soon, in the next few weeks, probably shortly after NAMM.

best
Herb

Herb, I have been here for a few days....is this new version available for Giga and up here somewhere? Thanks...

Tom

Hello,

to download the new GS3 art files please go to our user area:

www.vsl.co.at/user, log in and download from "updates" => "Art files (GS3)".

Best wishes, Paul

Hello Paul,

It seems the two new zip files, PerfSet_Brass_v3b & PerfSet_Percussion_v3b respectively, have some problems:

The first one still gives the "does not exactly match" error message. This happened with the HO_PERF-LEGATO.GIG file. I will check if this happens with the other files as well.
The second one simply cannot be downloaded (file is missing i guess).

Can you please check again these two files?


Thank you,

Christian

Only the horn performance articulations still give some error messages when loading the art files. Everything else seems to be ok though.

A big thanks to Jay for these files, the modwheel blend sounds awesome!

Regards,

Christian

Hi Christian,

could you please specify the error messages (how much is "some", what exactly does GS say?).

Do you still have problems downloading the Percussion-zip?

Thanks for your help,

Paul

For each of these files this message appears:
" Note: the instruments you are importing were saved from a file whose wave pool does not exactly match the current wave pool. The differences include the following samples: blah blah blah "

The only files that caused me some problems are the Horn Perfomance Set ones:

20 HO_PERF-LEAGATO_v3b.art: 38 samples are listed.

ALL the other art files (22 HO -> 37 HO, except 21 HO) always list one sample: HO_RS_mf_C2

Hope this helps...

For some reasons i can't download the Percussion zip file. All the other files on the update page are available for download, but when I click on the link for the perc file, nothing happens... I'll try again later.

Thanks,

Christian

I will check that.

Anybody else experiencing similar problems?

Paul,

The MW blends are so USEFUL. It really bridges the p - f gaps nicely. Very expressive. Many thanks.

Rob

Hi Paul and mon_art,

I double-checked the Ho-per-legato gig dated 10/4/2003 using the "v3b" art file. I do not get any error messages on my system.

Could VSL test on their systems?

Also mon_art please check the date of your gig file and make sure that you are using the "v3b" art file.

Also you can just ignore the error messages and save the file with no problems.

Best,
Jay

20 HO_PERF-LEAGATO_v3b
is loading fine without any warning messages here.

The broken link for the Percussion will be fixed ASAP.

best
Herb

LOL... guess what:


Jay Bacal wrote:

@Another User said:

" AAARRRGGGG!! I've discovered the cause of the problem. After reading cm's post, I rechecked the archive dates on my Performance Set CD's. All of them are dated October '03 except one. You guessed it -- CD#8-- the one with the horn and contrabass tuba on it!!!!! All the files on this disk have a date of July 7 '03. How a single old disk got into my package that was shipped only a few months ago is a mystery. "

Yes, i also got the same disc! (i'm not that crazy after all). Even stranger, because i upgraded to Pro Ed a few weeks ago... [8-)] Oh, irony...

So, what now? Should i send back this old disc to get a new one?


Thanks everybody,

Christian

extremly good news Herb thanks [:D]