As I wrote in the other thread: "Large" is a question of arrangement and clever voicing in the first place. Just one line, using one dynamic layer and a single, straight expression won't necessarily work.

"EQ-Presets" won't work either, as the specific requirements will change from piece to piece; just take them as a guidline where to start, trust you own ears (or the ears of a professional). - Reverb is a good tool to add "depth", but actually it is not _that_ necessary for a "lush" string-arrangement. Listen to the excerpt of Kuno Schmid's Elegia, for example. There's just a tad of room and reverb added to this very smooth section.

I know - simple solutions would be nice, but there ain't, if you go for the real thing ...

HTH,

/Dietz -Vienna Symphonic Library

Thank you everyone.
I reviewed my orchestration and I think it's alright.
I will keep trying. May be the problem is that I hadn't tried to adjust it.
And I think I would try to add some samples to the VSL to double the string sections.

I know and I will keep trying.
Try and Success!

YWT

@YWT said:

The Midi files and the orchestration are alright. V1 played higher notes while V2 played lower and the higher notes. Just alright. I have written it according to the original score for practice.
But the sound when i mix it in sampitude did listened "thin".

Only V1 and V2 won´t necesseraly sound "large".

The arrangement is the following:
1st Violins, 2nd Violins, Violas, Cellos, Basses, Oboe, Flute, Clarinet, 2 Horn ensembles, Trumpet Ensemble, Trombone Ensemble and Percussions.
I have used the Strings Collection from Sonic Implants to double the violins. It listened good. I think when really composed, the violins should be different, so add other samples may add the realistic of the ensembles. Just like Andy B. used the custom samples to doubled the VSL.

AFAIK, Andy used his custom samples for special phrasings more than for doubling - and of course for a "noisy" background! :-]

/Dietz

No matter what, it did worked.
And I think(or I heard) that the strings are not listened "thin".
Also I have adjust the Predelay to 35 ms for the violins and some more for other strings. May be this is the key? I don't know. I'm just trying.
But I had to say, VSL is the BEST. Even if it need to be "Doubled", it is in the main position. And the added samples(or track, I used the Sonic Implants strings to rerender the V1 and added it to the mix. I haven't modify the VSL itself) are only to help.
May be I am too inexperienced to make full use of VSL, but I will learn to do so, and someday be exprienced.

Thank you everyone, and thanks Dietz.

/YWT

BTW, I know when the MIR has become true, I won't do so much practice for render(at least mix) an realistic orchestra. Looking forward to that Day!

Come on, Everyone in MIR!

I do hope that people aren't pinning their hopes on MIR fixing everything... the virtual orchestra still needs good orchestration, as a real orchestra. Real orchestras sound thin and weedy if the right notes aren't on the page - and this can't be fixed in the mix.

still - I can just hear the unjustified complaints now... =D

Peter

BTW - I'm looking forward to MIR like you wouldn't believe!

come on,

MIR is gonna make me be able to slam my hand on the keyboard and make a masterpiece!! [[;)]]

10 voice chord on the keyboard with all the strings assigned ot the same MIDI channel, That will be huge [[;)]]


YWT,

try layering a solo violin or two over the top, it may help it sound more "lush" with the added vibrato.

And mixingwise give plugins by www.pspaudioware.com a go. In their mixpack there is a saturator whichto I´ve fallen in love at first sight, ah, hearing.

where do you equalize these settings?

I don't know if this has already been suggested yet, but when I have high violin parts, I play an octive lower at the same time I play the high parts. So really, I'm playing the same part over two, or maybe even three octives. It makes the strings sound richer and fuller because it spreads the sound over a broader range than just "very high". AND Good reverb really helps!

YWT, I too use the sonic implants strings with VSL (great combination) and I'm curious to know if you use any reverb or effects on the SI strings.

Someone suggested to put a violin solo over the strings or to play the same line twice two or three octaves lower, that's exactly what I usually do when I want a violin section to sound richer. So, I really can't give any more suggestions other than that.

As far as reverb, I'm not really and expert so, sorry.