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  • Basic procedures, Logic Express and Appassionatta strings

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    Excuse my ignorance and I've never really worked w/ samples before, only synth patches from a keyboard, basic midi with protools so this is all new to me. Everything is finally installed correctly. When I open Logic, do I have to launch the exs24 sampler first off? I'm using a Motif ES6, usually for internal sounds, but now as a midi controller so I've turned the local switch off to do this. First off, do I have to have the vienna midi interface up at the same time I have logic running? From the sampler in Logic Express, how do I pull sounds from vienna library into the sampler and route them to a track. Can I route to an audio track or a midi track or does it matter? I will be using the keyboard to play the sequences, so I want to route a specified sound from vienna, into a certain track so I can play the notes I want to show up as midi data, and play back sounds from the appassionatta strings. I'm using a Motu basic fastlane interface. Can anyone help in getting this initial procedure started up. Sorry for all the questions.

    Daniel
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    When I use the standalone version,even though I intend to use Logic as the main sequencer, the output volume is coming out if the little speaker built into my Mac G4, not my mixer. Any possible reasons why?
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    Hi Daniel

    >Excuse my ignorance

    Not at all - sharing knowledge is what this forum is all about. I'm no expert myself, but here are a few suggestions:

    >When I use the standalone version . . . the output volume is coming out if the little speaker built into my Mac G4, not my mixer.

    Open the Vienna Instrument Options -> Configure -> Settings -> Audio Driver and change the setting from 'Built-In Audio' to the name of the soundcard that connects to your mixer, then hit 'Close'.

    >When I open Logic, do I have to launch the exs24 sampler first off?

    No, Appassionata Strings don't require the EXS24, they are powered by the the Vienna Instrument. To use this with Logic you have to insert the Vienna Instrument plug-in into a Logic 'Instrument' track (not an Audio or MIDI track) and then use that track for writing its sequences. Set up as many tracks as you need different instruments and ensembles, and use the VI's extensive switching facilites to change performance styles (e.g. sus vib -> staccato -> pizzicato -> etc.) within a track.

    >how do I pull sounds from vienna library into the sampler and route them to a track.

    Once the VI is inserted into a Logic track you can open up its screen and load sounds directly into it.

    Good luck!
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    Thanks so much for your help. I found out my sound card is not compatible with Logic so I had to order an Audio Interface. No prob there, that is on the way. When you say I have to insert vienna strings into an Instrument track, you mean double click the track, click insert, and then I should should see Vienna Strings in there or do I have to go look for it somehow? So you say not to use a Midi or Audio track, in Logic Express it shows (in order) Audio, Instrument or GM tracks. I would assume I use the Intrument tracks, but once I've inserted the Instrument, and I record something, it shows up as midi data right? This makes it easy to edit.

    So grateful for all your help, almost there with setting it up.

    Daniel
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    >Thanks so much for your help.

    You're welcome!

    >When you say I have to insert vienna strings into an Instrument track, you mean double click the track, click insert, and then I should should see Vienna Strings in there or do I have to go look for it somehow?

    Highlight an Instrument track and you'll see its fader on the lower left side of the screen. Click and hold on the slot directly underneath 'I/O' and a list of available instrument plug-ins (including the Vienna Instrument) should open up for selection. (That's how it works in Logic 7 anyway!)

    > So you say not to use a Midi or Audio track, in Logic Express it shows (in order) Audio, Instrument or GM tracks. I would assume I use the Intrument tracks, but once I've inserted the Instrument, and I record something, it shows up as midi data right? This makes it easy to edit.

    That's right. In Logic, 'Instrument' tracks are a special type of MIDI track that have an instrument attached, so you use an Instrument track to record MIDI specifically for that instrument. When you've finished recording, the MIDI data will appear as a 'region' on screen. To edit the performance, highlight the region then hold Apple and hit '6' to open the Matrix Editor (a nice visual display for note-editing). Alternatively, you can hold Apple and hit '2' to open the Event List (useful for finding MIDI control data etc.)

    Good luck!
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    I'm no expert at Logic either, and a site i've found particularly useful in answering many questions is:

    www.logicprohelp.com

    Good Luck,

    Alex.
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    Thanks Conquer. I'm doing as directed, I dont see the Vienna Strings anywhere though, I see No Plug in, Mono, stereo and multichannel, each have AU generators, DLS music device, garage band, etc. No Vienna. Do I have to do something with the directory manager before it will see the strings? I can use the standalone just fine, but Logic isnt seeing the instrument as a plug in.
    Regards

    Daniel
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    I think, if I remember correctly, that Logic has an au manager that scans for an au. Poke around and look for something like that. Its been awhile since I used Logic. Sorry if I'm wrong or remember only a fantasy!
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    Yeah it seems everything I try to load into the esx24, besides the prebuilt in instruments, they are al greyed out. Hmmmmm!!!
    Any suggestions?
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    @Dbrown22 said:

    Yeah it seems everything I try to load into the esx24, besides the prebuilt in instruments, they are al greyed out. Hmmmmm!!!
    Any suggestions?


    Hi,

    did you try <reset & rescan all> in Logic´s AU Manager? What happened?

    Best,

    Maya
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    Hello again - I use Vienna Instruments on PC (not Mac) so unfortunately don't know exactly how Logic finds and recognises third party plug-ins. But I'm sure the Vienna team will help you with this!

    >it seems everything I try to load into the esx24, besides the prebuilt in instruments, they are al greyed out.

    As mentioned earlier, Vienna Instruments don't run inside the EXS24 sampler, they're sample-playing instruments in their own right.
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    Hi Maya

    Any idea how to rescan or reset in the AU Manager? Do I have to do something with the directory manager? Please advise if you can

    regards,
    Daniel Brown
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    I have Logic Pro and ther you find the au manager in the following menu:

    Logic>preferences>Start Logic Au Manager

    Good luck
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    Thanks. I found the AU manager, when I first opened it, it showedVienna string, unselected and greyed out as one of the audio instruments, so I hit reset and rescan, opened it again, then it disappeared. Can someone from the VSL tech group help out w/this. Logic is running fine otherwise, and I can use the standalone just fine too. Do I have to have the standalone open at the same time I use logic? Do I have to do anything w/ the directory manager?

    Sorry for all the questions, everythings running besides this
    Regards

    Daniel
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    Hi Daniel, sorry to hear you're still having a problem getting the Vienna Instrument running with Logic.

    >Do I have to have the standalone open at the same time I use logic?

    No.

    >Do I have to do anything w/ the directory manager?

    No, that just takes care of the VI finding its patches. If you can access all the patches in standalone mode, it should be no different when run under Logic.

    What you're experiencing is an installation problem which I hope VSL will help you with.
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    Daniel, sorry this is dragging on for you. Could you tell me what version of Logic Express you use and what OS you have on your G4? A friend of mine is a Logic expert and may be able to help. Hopefully VSL's tech staff will respond too.
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    Thanks Conquer. I use Logic express 7.2 on Mac 10.4 OSX, running on a 500 mhz PowerMac G4. I'm still waiting for a tech from VSL to get back to me.
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    My friend says, "Can you ask him to run AU manager and just click on the box next to the greyed-out Vienna strings (in the Use column) and see what comes up in the data box (maybe he could screenshot the results?)

    While we're working through this I suggest you also e-mail VSL's tech department (support@vsl.co.at) and explain the problem if you haven't done so already. It might / should get you a quicker answer!
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    @Dbrown22 said:

    Thanks Conquer. I use Logic express 7.2 on Mac 10.4 OSX, running on a 500 mhz PowerMac G4. I'm still waiting for a tech from VSL to get back to me.


    We are already in contact with you via mail, but you didn´t answer the questions yet:

    1) which version of OS 10.4 you have installed (OS 10.4.x)?

    2) which Audio Hardware and drivers you´re using now?

    3) did you try to reinstall the Vienna Instruments Software version 1.10?

    4) do you have the latest Syncrosoft License Control Center installed?

    5) can you open the standalone interface?

    It is recommendable to repair permissions on your system drive (with disk utility). Then try what "Conquer" has suggested already "run AU manager and just click on the box <rescan> next to the greyed-out Vienna strings". A window called <Audio Unit validation Result> will appear and when rescan is finished it should say <AU VALIDATION SUCCEEDED>.
    Then close Logic and open it again - now the plug-in should appear.

    Besides I have to say that a G4 500 MHz doesn´t even meet the minimum requirements for Vienna Instruments. [:(]

    Best regards,

    Maya
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    >Besides I have to say that a G4 500 MHz doesn´t even meet the minimum requirements for Vienna Instruments.

    As Daniel has successfully run the Vienna Instrument in standalone mode, one would hope he doesn't have to run out and buy new hardware just yet!