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  • Why no Glissando and some other things.......

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    Hello

    I have a few general questions/comments that I'm sure people will have an answer for.

    The first is why are there no Glissando samples in Ochestral Strings II (VI). I spent £300 odd pounds and no glissando, very dissapointing, unless I've missed them somewhere??

    Also I've bought the Bosendorfer which is lovely but could someone explain things like the RS samples and roughly how you use them pls?

    Is there any instrument specific documentation. The strings are much more obvious to use but the Bosendorfer has a patch called 'Empty Patch'. What is this for and why did it cost me £190. It doesn't seem to do a lot.

    Other that that they are just great. Thanks in advance.
    Jim
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    Hi Jim,

    we have recorded glissandos for the violin section in Orchestral Strings I, because that is the instrument section that is using the glissandos mostly. Sorry to see yo disappointed here.

    With the Boesendorfer Piano you are best off to simply stick to the presets. We have applied a quite complex programming in the background to give you the feeling and functionality of a real piano.

    The Release Samples can not be played as a patch (that´s why they are in the "Ressources" folder), they are combined with the patches and matrices that need them.

    Please find a more detailed documentation on all collections in your user area.

    Best, Paul
    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Thanks Paul. It's a shame and I have to say quite strange that the Glissandos have beed missed out of the lower strings. I for one use them all the time, infact I've never thought of them being used more often in the top strings....... Glissandos in a full cello section is an incredible sound!

    I understand about the Bosendorfer. Is there any chance you could give me a quick run down of how one would use the release samples with other collections?? I'll look at the documentation in the user area and maybe that will answer it.

    Thanks again and maybe Glissando samples for the lower strings is something to think about for the future [:)]

    Cheers
    Jim
  • PaulP
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    PaulP
    Hi Jim,

    the Release Samples work the same way for all collections: They are added automatically as soon as you leave the key. You cannot play the Release Sample patch individually. But you can easily switch them off in the Perform Page, in case you don´t need them or you want to be economic with your polyphony...

    Best,

    Paul
    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • J
    J
    Great thanks Paul.
    All the best
    Jim
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    @JimineySnicket said:

    Thanks Paul. It's a shame and I have to say quite strange that the Glissandos have beed missed out of the lower strings. I for one use them all the time, infact I've never thought of them being used more often in the top strings....... Glissandos in a full cello section is an incredible sound!



    Jim, I ran into this limitation (no glissandi) when performing "A Screaming Comes Across the Sky" (see the demo zone). I thought, "Damn! I've got everything I need, even a Lion's Roar and a Whip ... but no glissandi in the celli and bass. What the hell am I going to do now?!?"

    So, I had to get creative. I made use of the chromatic scale and pitch bend, and layering of samples to create fake celli and bass glissandi. And, it didn't turn out half as bad as I had expected. In fact, it worked so well to be able to precisely control the curve of the glissandi that I used the same technique for the violins, too (even though they have a sampled version available).

    Here's what the cello glissandi look like in Logic's Matrix view:

    http://www.fauxharmonic.com/vsl/vc_gliss.gif">

    The controller data shown are for pitch-bend.

    Here's how this sounds:
    http://www.fauxharmonic.com/vsl/vc_gliss.gif">

    The controller data shown are for pitch-bend.

    Here's how this sounds:
    http://www.fauxharmonic.com/vsl/vc_gliss.mp3

    Here is the same thing I did for the violins:



    And how it sounds:
    http://www.fauxharmonic.com/vsl/vln_gliss.mp3

    Okay, I admit it ain't perfect. (For example, I could have messed with it more to get that first cello gliss to end nicely, but when mixed with trombone gliss, ascending piano chromatic scales (with pedal), etc., well, it sounds just fine.

    (You can hear the final outcome in the demo zone.)

    Hope this helps!

    - Paul
  • J
    J
    Hey Paul. That's great, thank you. An excellent work around! I'll give it a go and have a play with it... Maybe you should sample your concoction and give it to the vsl guys [:)]

    Cheers
    Jim
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    Paul, in Logic, how do you get such perfect, graphic quality lines?
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    @Peter Alexander said:

    Paul, in Logic, how do you get such perfect, graphic quality lines?


    Peter, I assume you're talking about the controller data, right? If so, you hold down shift while selecting points in the controller data window (Hyperdraw). Then, when two or more points are selected you can click, hold and drag in the blue area to modify the pre-existing (straight) lines. You can also combine modifier keys with the dragging motion (shift, control, etc.). I forget just now what they each do, but a bit of experimentation will show you.