I think he and Jay are just posting their enthusiasm for the library and not anything else.
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I've read something on an other forum that said they(sample developers in general) don't sell as much as we think they did. In fact they absolutely have to think globally or else there's no show. Is it true or not? I don't know. But i tend to believe it, even if i was surprise to hear it in the first place.
As you said: "in general..." Does not mean ALL, I have no worries for VSL... [H]
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[...] In fact they absolutely have to think globally or else there's no show. Is it true or not? [...]
This is true down to the letter.
... otherwise, we would have kept all our nice samples for ourselves and would make the rest of the world go green with envy! [+o(]
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library -
Coming in a far second to that notion from Dietz of "cruel and unusually terrible possibilities for the world *that should never be* ":
1. Global Dictatorship
2. World War 3
3. Invasion by malevolent alien species
4. All movie budgets sanctioned by Tim Allen
5. All casting and script approval by Donald Trump
6. Donald Trumpet head of Global Dictatorship...
7. Donald Trump and his scientists find a way to make him subsequently physically immortal so he can rule the Earth forever.
8. All TV programming subsequently ordered to be reality TV shows only starring Dictator Trump's wives...
9. The world's states and cultures are remodelled after the United States of Trump model.... the flag is red white and blue with a hair piece in the centre.
Ok i got carried away with the Trump thing but you get the idea. Keeping VSL to yourself WICKED!! 1 to 10 on the *sadness* meter = definitely an ELEVEN! he he he ok I make myself laugh, probably nobody else.... [:)] [:D]
Miklos.
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Dietz,
Please explain to me? Isn't it a time where samples are more in demand than ever, with all the availabilities of computers and softwares? I'm not thinking that these companies are gold mines but to me a statement like Anonymous Joe's simply does not seem right if I use common sense... Unless there are nuances that are not clear.
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Everyone expects software for free or extremely cheap (except pro software aimed a a specific market) GarageBand comes with samples and loops and is effectively free. As you move from free/cheap software to mid-priced/expensive software you either have to be an enthusiastic amateur or earning your living with the use (or contributory use) of that application.
How many PROFESSIONAL composer/producers are there. Well I think considerably fewer than you might think as a percentage of trades. And whereas Pro photographers may major on Photoshop there are any number of sample libraries and at a guess only 5% of the pro composers out there might be in the market for a VSL type of product.
VSL have created a respected brand and, I would say, are the undisputed leader in the Orchestral Library field but I think if there were 2 or 3 new players join the industry then the financial dynamics would be bad for Pro Sample users.
This is because the extra compettion would lead to a lowering in prices to a point that it wouldn't make financial sense to commit valuable resources to things like customer support, experimental product development (MIR) and esoteric sample development.
So my view is that the global high end sample market is more precarious than it might appear.
Julian
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@julian said:
Everyone expects software for free or extremely cheap (except pro software aimed a a specific market) GarageBand comes with samples and loops and is effectively free. As you move from free/cheap software to mid-priced/expensive software you either have to be an enthusiastic amateur or earning your living with the use (or contributory use) of that application.
How many PROFESSIONAL composer/producers are there. Well I think considerably fewer than you might think as a percentage of trades. And whereas Pro photographers may major on Photoshop there are any number of sample libraries and at a guess only 5% of the pro composers out there might be in the market for a VSL type of product.
VSL have created a respected brand and, I would say, are the undisputed leader in the Orchestral Library field but I think if there were 2 or 3 new players join the industry then the financial dynamics would be bad for Pro Sample users.
This is because the extra compettion would lead to a lowering in prices to a point that it wouldn't make financial sense to commit valuable resources to things like customer support, experimental product development (MIR) and esoteric sample development.
So my view is that the global high end sample market is more precarious than it might appear.
Julian
You're probably right.
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Julian et al, with respect to your and those who seem to think along these lines in any business scenario, and with respect to your opinion, I must say that I think this kind of pessismism always misses the bigger picture, and is a past oriented view point, always looking at what has been when the big successes in business usually happen out of what has not yet occurred in industry and in life - these are the things that entrapaneurs and intuitive business people foresee instinctively and they succeed based on that instinct, they feel what is around the corner when others are gloomy about what wasn't around the last one instead of realising that the unknown is unknown because prcisely, it is unknown!! It's like a wave in the ocean, when you're surfing, you know one will come but you don't know when or how it will be, but a good and experienced surfer feels the wave and catches it.
I would say the reverse, in fact, that the market is set to continue to expand if not healthily, perhaps exponentially, because more and more low and mid budget productions will be turning to samples and specifically VSL as a way to increase quality while still maintaining budget. This is especially true as tomorrows hardware starts to see yesterdays prices.
Miklos.
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I think that people will spend whatever they want to on hobbies. Traditionally, I guess, that would not have been sample libraries. However, if people can afford to take flying lessons, or week long holidays that cost more than the Cube, then it is more a matter of what they are prepared to pay for. true, there are many less Pro users than others, but it is the Pro users that want and need most of the enhancements. Where am I going with this? I don't know. I'm just waiting for my dinner to be ready. [:D]
DG
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@mpower88 said:
Julian et al, with respect to your and those who seem to think along these lines in any business scenario, and with respect to your opinion, I must say that I think this kind of pessismism always misses the bigger picture, and is a past oriented view point, always looking at what has been when the big successes in business usually happen out of what has not yet occurred in industry and in life - (edit)
It's like a wave in the ocean, when you're surfing, you know one will come but you don't know when or how it will be, but a good and experienced surfer feels the wave and catches it.
Miklos.
I'd say it's like drainage pipes [:D] ...
Recently I did some work on my house and wanted to match the existing cast iron pipes. I had to pay at ten times the cost of plastic to get the job done. Now if there hadn't been a flooding of the market with cheap plastic varieties there would have still been a good number of cast iron pipe manufacturers creating quality at a good price rather than a few specialists at extremely high prices.
I'm sure if VSL did plumbing they'd make cast iron pipes (or at least use them for reverb!)
Julian
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if VSL did plumbing they'd make cast iron pipes (or at least use them for reverb!)
[:D] julian ... what do you think ... we would _sample_ them ... though you'd still need the plumber ... [;)]
christian
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@mpower88 said:
Julian et al, with respect to your and those who seem to think along these lines in any business scenario, and with respect to your opinion, I must say that I think this kind of pessismism always misses the bigger picture, and is a past oriented view point, always looking at what has been when the big successes in business usually happen out of what has not yet occurred in industry and in life - (edit)
It's like a wave in the ocean, when you're surfing, you know one will come but you don't know when or how it will be, but a good and experienced surfer feels the wave and catches it.
Miklos.
I'd say it's like drainage pipes [:D] ...
Recently I did some work on my house and wanted to match the existing cast iron pipes. I had to pay at ten times the cost of plastic to get the job done. Now if there hadn't been a flooding of the market with cheap plastic varieties there would have still been a good number of cast iron pipe manufacturers creating quality at a good price rather than a few specialists at extremely high prices.
I'm sure if VSL did plumbing they'd make cast iron pipes (or at least use them for reverb!)
Julian
Actually, China is more responsible for the price of coper going up than anything else... The same goes for all other metals and resources(like oil) simply because of china's booming economy.
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if VSL did plumbing they'd make cast iron pipes (or at least use them for reverb!)
[:D] julian ... what do you think ... we would _sample_ them ... though you'd still need the plumber ... [;)]
christian
Yeh!
the standard edition costs $300 but for the extended (includes the plumber) it's an extra $2000!
Julian
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[[:|]] I don't think that makes any point to the original post that basically suggested sample manufacturers aren't making any money... I think the good ones are, those who are opportunistic entrants into the market, probably won't survive because they aren't realistic about their product.
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What exactly is the point of all this is somebody trying to say VSL is not making money or will falter in the future financiallly?? If so, I'll wager an obvious no, and it is in THAT case a silly point in the first place.
Note to self, don't respond to silly posts that start circular go nowhere discussions on forums with anonymous joes... [:)]
Comparing iron pipes to VSL as a market analogy? [8-)]
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My common sense says there are TONS of pro composers out there spending money on sample lib and ready to spend more especially as samples are getting better each day and at the end of the line their project becomes much more cost efficient thanks to pro sampling company such as VSL. If it's an investment to buy these lib they will do so.
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I just realised this was a thread about the demos!!
Well I just came back because I finally had a proper listen to your concerto Guy and I have to say this is where you are certainly at your best, when you are free to write the music in the directions that you want to go, and have fun with it it's so obvious you had fun with this one. Congratulations really excellent and so unique! You are really developing yourself as a significant contributor to compositions not only using VSL but all around and obviously your consummate piano skills as performance and also composer show themselves well here, - this is really showing us mortals what can be done with this library and it's truly ascendant and inspiring to know that the possibilities are very far reaching and deep musically indeed, and we can learn from your example and apply this knowledge of what *can* be done in the most musical sense not just as an immitation of an orchestra but as a tool for pure art itself, and be emboldened (I always wanted to use that word he he) by it for our own writing ventures - to write with a confidence that nothing really holds us back here but our own musical sense of adventure and what limitations we do or do not place upon it (I suggest none!). Also, there is a wonderful use of space here even when apparently the sound is full and that was especially interesting.
All the Best,
Miklos.
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