Best Printer for Parts and Scores?

[PoppaJOL]

Hello:

Does anyone have a reccommendation for a printer that can handle large size parts (9x12, 10x13) and full orchestra scores? I'm in th USA. Thanks.

Be well,

Jimmy

[mathis]

If you use Sibelius, just use a standard A4 laser printer and let Sibelius fit the original document size to A4. Later enlarge it in a copy shop. Works well.

For big printers I have no clue what is good, so I'm not of help here.

[dpcon]

This is what I'm going to get at some point. I think it's the cheapest to use ink-wise and also minus un-needed bells and whistles. Prints large of course.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?landing=printers&category=inkjets_office&catLevel=3&storeName=storefronts&subcat1=print&product_code=C8177A%23A2L&jumpid=oc_R1002_USENC-001_HP%20Officejet%20Pro%20K850%20Color%20Printer

[JWL]

I'd looked at tabloid lasers, but ongoing operating costs are still very high.

I opted for the Canon i9900 tabloid printer-- while it takes 8 cartridges, replacements can be had for under $10 each if you shop in the right place. If you don't print in color, you won't have to replace the color cartridges very often or at all.

I buy mass quantities of black cartridges at Staples-- with every empty cartridge returned, you get about 30% off-- so it's proven to be quite cost effective.

Print time for a page 9.5 x 13 is about 25 seconds at 300 dpi. Full score pages at 11 x 17 take a little longer, but it still comes in at under a minute (about 40-45 seconds?). At times I print complete sets of parts, including all strings when it is cost effective to do so. I stopped outsourcing to print services because of the rising expense, and even Kinko's rate hikes are such that some projects are cheaper to do in-house. For larger projects of 6 or more scores and parts, I'll opt to send out the string parts in the interest of time where time and money are both major considerations.

Okay, it's not laser, but people ask me constantly if I use a laser printer-- the results are just that tidy. I can't say enough good things about this printer. Prints are clean and crisp.

Laser remains a notch above inkjet, but that notch comes at a premium. Tabloid laser printers hover in the $3k range, but the i9900 can be had for about 1/10th that price. Laser benefits from adding RAM in some models. There are no upgrades for the i9900. Laser toner can average $200 each for replacement. The i9900s are $11 or less. Page coverage is quite good-- 3-4 cartridges get me through enough scores and parts for a one-hour concert with full orchestra.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=117&modelid=9870

Awards:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=AwardsAct&fcategoryid=117&modelid=9870

Just my 2¢

[PoppaJOL]

Thanks folks:

These are great suggestions! Exactly what I was looking for. I will check them out.

Be well,

Jimmy

[DG]

When I looked at the options with a friend a few months ago, there seemed no point in getting an inkjet. No only does the ink run when trombone players spit on the page, but the pages take so long to print that a thousand page run would take for ever.

However, if it is only for non pressurised situations,then I guess that laser is the unnecessarily expensive option.

DG

[JWL]

@DG said:

When I looked at the options with a friend a few months ago, there seemed no point in getting an inkjet. No only does the ink run when trombone players spit on the page, but the pages take so long to print that a thousand page run would take for ever.

However, if it is only for non pressurised situations,then I guess that laser is the unnecessarily expensive option.

DG

DG, one must do a bit of research. The ink-run argument is an old one by today's standards. Not all inkjets are the same. Canon's quick drying inks have never run the way other inkjets do-- and if trombone players spit on any page, no matter if it were done by Kalmus or Boosey, the part is already on its way to ruin. Parts also get heavily marked after only a few uses, so replacing parts is also part of the evils of maintaining a library. It's still more cost effective on a good inkjet-- Buy a cheap inkjet and you get yourself into trouble.

For the difference in cost of laser and inkjet, I have also invested in better-than-normal paper to do the printing. Waussau 60-lb cover not only takes and holds the Canon inks extremely well, but the Waussau papers are also quite compatible with photocopier toner. I've never had a problem with inks running.

Inkjets themselves ought not to be blamed wholesale in the interest of distinguishing the misconceptions. Lasers are no better in that regard, and I have used both laser and inkjet-- HP and Canon. I cannot recommend HP or Epson, but the Canon represents a new breed in high standard inkject printing. The wide difference in price and operating costs do not reflect the neglegible differences in quality.

Everyone will suit themselves and their budgets. I only felt that I'd be remiss had I not shared my findings.

[dpcon]

I will defer to JWL on the printer issue as he is a top notch pro with some decades of experiance in this area. I print out an occasional lead sheet on my Epson 740 so I'm not really qualified to inform. The printer I suggested is the replacement for an eralier HP model which was suggested to me by a professional copyist but as I said, I'm not really doing anything in this area and will now look at the Canon JWL suggests.

I can advise with a tad of expertise on the proper use of eighth notes however (but only upon a solid contextual reference.)

Don't mean to suggest DG is uninformed in any way only myself.

[Alban]

I bought an old HP Laser Jet 4V. 12 years old, A3, 600 dpi for 200 Euro ($ 250). And now I get perfect scores. Much better than inkjet. 40 and more instruments on one page are no problem.

Alban

[Angelo Clematide]

If you print scores and orchestra material often, PDF/X and Printing On Demand is the professional and international standard way. Then have it printed in a professional print shop. The worldwide prepress standard for data transfer to the print shop is the PDF/X format, a defined subset of the PDF language. PDF/X restricts the content in a PDF document, prohibiting elements that do not directly serve the purpose of high-quality print production output. This is the reliable delivery of press-ready, high-end b&w and color printing. This makes the process simple and printing addtional orchestra material in professional quality is quick and inexpensive. You will never again turn the paper in you laser or inkjet printer to print the back side and get a bound book.

Here a few links:
http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/pdf/PDFReference.pdf

http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000124.shtml

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/pdfs/acr6_pdfx_faq.pdf

Here the shop where my printed matter is done:
http://www.gaffuri.ch/

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[Jonathan Mitchell]

I love the comment about spitting trombones. You can of course fairly easily get around this problem by laminating the brass parts. What works for children will surely work for the brass section?

[Angelo Clematide]

Laminating the wind players is a more revolutionary idea for contemporary composers

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[golafs]

angelo.

how do you make these pdf/x files.
is it possible in Finale or Sibelius?

[DG]

JWL, good to know that there are some good Inkjets. Are there any ones that print faster than one page a week? [:D]

You gave some very good advice and then spoilt it by mentioning the name Kalmus. This travesty of a company does not belong in a post that is geared towards music production. [8o|]

DG

[DG]

@golafs said:

angelo.

how do you make these pdf/x files.
is it possible in Finale or Sibelius?

OSX or XP?

DG

[Angelo Clematide]

@golafs said:

how do you make these pdf/x files.
is it possible in Finale or Sibelius?

No matter what the application is you use, and I mean not only Finale or Sibelius, the prodeedings are always the same for digital printing and offset printing.

1.1
Export graphics in vector graphics format type Encapsulated PostScript with the extension *.eps. In Sibelius this creates numbered pages exactly as your score is.

1.2
When you decide to have it printed, you could give at this point the *.eps graphics to the digital printer, and he makes the PDF/X.

1.3
Making the PDF/X yourself: Import the numbered score pages with at least 300 dpi into Photoshop, Illustrator, PageMaker, or any other program who permitts you to edit the book you want to export to PDF/X. At this import the vector graphics go thru the screen-process for print.

1.4
If you don't have to edit anything you can load the *.eps pages into Adobe Acrobat, no less then version 6.0.

1.5
Export to PDF/X.

1.6
Open the the PDF/X for controlling. Zoom into the b&w and color graphics and control if there are any imprecise alignment, or misregistration, between colorants. In print, this can produce unwanted visual artifacts such as brightly colored gaps or bands around the edges of printed objects. In high-quality reproduction of color documents, such artifacts are avoided by creating an overlap, called a "trap", between areas of adjacent color. If you find any such quality reductions consult you printer company, or simply give them the exported *.eps data.

1.7
The easiest way. You can export a normal PDF out of any graphic application, including Sibelius. This PDF can be transcoded to PDF/X, by yourself if you have a PDF/X plugin. Doing so, normally you will not see any quality differences in black&white digital printing. Incorporating color graphics, you have to know the color standard and the process of making it print ready.

1.8
The dpi standard of graphics and text in digital print and offset print is 300 dpi. It is said, that down to circa 270 dpi you hardly see a quality reduction. Sometimes graphic companies work at 600 dpi, or require and accept only higher resolution content, sometimes up to 2400 dpi when it is not vector based.

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[Angelo Clematide]

sorry for the typos, but editing time is limited.

If you open a PDF, zoom in quite considerably and still see smooth lines you are seeing vector PDF. If the zoom in reveals jaggy lines it is raster PDF or hybrid PDF.

http://www.pdftocad.com/

In my opinion inkjet is not the way to print a score. Even a A4 laser postscript printer (US legal or letter) will produce sharper images, including later enlargement to A3 (tabloid) with a photo copy machine.

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[golafs]

thanks for the tips! [:D]

[JWL]

@DG said:

JWL, good to know that there are some good Inkjets. Are there any ones that print faster than one page a week? [:D]

You gave some very good advice and then spoilt it by mentioning the name Kalmus. This travesty of a company does not belong in a post that is geared towards music production. [8o|]

DG

Ah, DG-- Kalmus-- another evil of the real world. That's a good reason right there to endeavor mastery of Finale or Sibelius.

One page a week? Hmmm-- is Epson more of a travesty than Kalmus as a suitable thread term? [:D] Actually, Epson is closer to one page a month.

No regrets on the Canon, tho.

[DG]

@DG said:

JWL, good to know that there are some good Inkjets. Are there any ones that print faster than one page a week? [:D]

You gave some very good advice and then spoilt it by mentioning the name Kalmus. This travesty of a company does not belong in a post that is geared towards music production. [8o|]

DG

Ah, DG-- Kalmus-- another evil of the real world. That's a good reason right there to endeavor mastery of Finale or Sibelius.

One page a week? Hmmm-- is Epson more of a travesty than Kalmus as a suitable thread term? [:D] Actually, Epson is closer to one page a month.

No regrets on the Canon, tho.
I keep thinking that I should get a new printer, as mine is an old (13 years) HP LaserJet 5, but as I don't do that much printing any more and I'm too mean to spend the money, I keep putting it off. I would like an A3 printer, but I think that I probably don't need it, so it's just gear lust. [:(]

DG