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    @Kerry Muzzey said:

    Hey DG,

    Is that true? I'm researching for new monitors and every review of the Mackie HR824's I've read has said that if your mix sounds good on there, it'll sound good on any speakers. What was your experience with them, and what speakers do you use? I'm looking for a really "honest" monitor...

    kerry

    I'm in-between monitors ATM as I'm still finishing my studio. However, IMO this "if your mix sounds good on there, it'll sound good on any speakers" doesn't work for any of the Mackies that I've heard. Besides that, I don't even like the sound with them, so in my book they have no saving grace. My recommendation would be to blag a few different types of monitor and play a mix that you are intimately familiar with through them in your mixing environment. That way you can immediately tell whether or not they translate well.

    DG

  • DG....

    Monitors are subjective. So this conversation is useless. But saying that the Mackies are truly awful is just wrong..

    The Mackies are uncolored, yet strong. They have a great ability to avoid giving the listener "ear-fatigue" with prolonged sessions at louder levels.

    While other monitors on first listen will sound "brighter" more "hi-fi" that is exactly what you DON'T want......

    The Mackies IMHO opinion are the best monitor for that amount of money.


    KRK and GENELEC are good, but also very "hyped" in the highs (colored).



    However as DG has stated, one gets used to one's monitors and becomes aware of faults, short-comings with time.


    SvK

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    @svonkampen said:

    DG....

    Monitors are subjective. So this conversation is useless. But saying that the Mackies are truly awful is just wrong..

    SvK

    It would be wrong if I'd actually said that. [8-)]

    DG

  • DG...

    You're right:

    Your comment was stronger

    Quote:

    "I hate them"

    SvK

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    @svonkampen said:

    DG...

    You're right:

    Your comment was stronger

    Quote:

    "I hate them"

    SvK

    You're still not reading my post. [6] I said that I hate them. I didn't say that they were awful. I hate the music of Berlioz, but I don't think that it is awful. That would imply that he was incompetent as a composer. He wasn't, it's just that his music is not to my taste.

    DG

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    @svonkampen said:


    KRK and GENELEC are good, but also very "hyped" in the highs (colored). SvK


    KRK's are very good - although I would say they are more suited to rock style music most of the time.
    I currently have Genelecs with the sub. They are slightly coloured and sort of sweety sounding. They are very good mostly for the type of work you do.

    Blue Sky's are very highly thought of over here - I heard them once and thought they were very good.

    Mackies I find to be very hard sounding and at the same time a bit muffled - not so sure about them.

    Adams are great - but can be expensive.

  • just did a mix at another studio and our stems transfered perfectly to genelecs, and then back to magnepans in my studio. i've never heard a nearfield that could get that close. i would buy genelecs without hesitation. open and airy without a trace of fatigue over several hours. note that i am not offering a comparison as i haven't heard some of the other products mentioned. just an experience that wouldnn't have necessarily compelled a post except that it was so extraordinarily solid going both ways.

  • I use HR 624 at my home studio. I love them, although I will gladly add a subwoofer to them. They have a neutrality that I didn't find in any other monitors in that price range.

    But again, you should test the one in your budget range and see which one you like the best.

    Here, at my boss' studio, we use Genelec 1032As, they're absolutely amazing in terms of raw power, stereo image and clarity, but I don't find them to be as neutral.

    Anyway... my 2 cents [:)]

    Jerome

  • Ah, monitors!! So many options. Which way to go?

    Everyone falls in love with a set a monitors for one reason or another. Given that there is much to recommend about all the monitors mentioned on this thread, there are some other considerations which often go overlooked when choosing an *ideal* set of near fields.

    1. Two sets of ears are better than one. Three sets of ears are even better than two. When you try out monitors, see if you can "borrow" the ears of two trusting people-- one who tends to work more instinctively and one who works more technically. Somewhere in between you'll find the right criteria to make your choice.

    2. Make a CD of tracks you are very familiar with-- include your own mixes as well as commercially released mixes you like-- and those you don't like. See how the pros and cons of these mixes translate accurately on a variety of speakers-- if a bad mix sounds great all of a sudden, then you know you might not want those particular monitors.

    And don't limit your initial test to one type (brand or size) of monitor. Listen to 4-inchers, 6-inchers, overheads-- just to clear your ears of the sound of any 8-inchers you will eventually get. It keeps things sounding fresh.

    --- and don't forget to listen to all monitors at low levels as well.

    3. Test the monitors in your room! These things always sound different in your studio than in the store-- too much peripheral noise in the store, too! Try at least three different sets in your studio once you've narrowed your choices down.

    4. As long as we're talking about monitors, the ears themselves ARE the most important tool in your studio. As you test, tweak, callibrate electronic gear-- you might want to start out by having your hearing tested to get a sense of how your hearing has changed. Your perception of what you hear doesn't change-- but your hearing does.

    The older you get, and the more time you spend using monitors and headphones, the more likely that some highs will go. For some people, this begins near middle-age. For others, it can begin quite early in life-- twenties, teens, or even earlier. I've noticed that my mastering engineers are consistently rolling off a touch of high end on my mixes these days. This is because I'm now aware that I've lost a touch of high end sensitivity in my hearing. It's not bad, but knowing what my ears are really telling my brain answers a whole lot of questions which might have otherwise been blamed on room treatment, callibration tools, AC efficiency, etc.

    Often people don't distinguish between using your ears from the notion of having a sonic concept of the sound you want in your head. The imagination is "perfect". Ears and gear are all quite variable.

    As for ear fatigue-- six hours a day is about my threshold regardless of what monitors are used. Time plays a huge roll, and long hours under the assault of sound can lead to engineer's "cotton ear"-- where highs become impossible to discern clearly. This encourages the notion of working quickly, placing emphasis on the importance of understanding your room, your own hearing, the character of your monitors; all of which are constantly reconciled with that award-winning perfect sonic concept in your head you endeavor to achieve.

    Once these matters have been considered, making an informed decision about which brand of monitors works best will be easier to make.

  • Of course nothing can replace my Sennheiser HD-600 cans....

    Honestly one of my favorite things for mixing is wearing my HD-600's, and leaving only the sub-woofer on.

    hehehe

    SvK

  • Try the HD-650 [:D]

    J.

  • I've got a closet of a studio with the Blue Sky MediaDesk 2.1. *Extremely* happy with them... my room is more of a problem than my speakers (which I suspect is the case with many of us).

    J.

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    @svonkampen said:

    Of course nothing can replace my Sennheiser HD-600 cans....SvK


    I must admit I do like them. They are great for me. Come down in price recently. Very good.

  • do you know how the new 8040 genelecs compares to the older model 1030?

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    @jbm said:

    I've got a closet of a studio with the Blue Sky MediaDesk 2.1. *Extremely* happy with them... [...] J.

    [nods] ... they are even good as a small 5.1 setup.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • I use Sundholm monitors, which are local and very nice sounding. Possibly some of the best you can get. Have no idea if he'll ship out of state, and he went back to making guitar amps. (Sundholm = Sunn guitar amps back in the day)