Yes i'm familiar when they started using the mouse to grab and enter the notes with the mouse, but can you grab multiple pages and move them, and in those edit further by highlighting with mouse , or can you look at the notes from an architectural view, editing from midi not only simplifies but this is the velocity, sustain, spreadout, in, the complete playback feel that turns the score to realism and the quickness and accurace thats the more important. Using a curser by moving notes is not copletely a free way of moving notes, grabbing notes with a mouse without using a tool is the orthadox way of moving notes without having to go through another tool to use. Its the restraints of grabbing the notes that keeps finale's notes lined up in order that makes the score look so great. That is finale's strength the very same that is slow and frustating. you have three entrees to input notes, and they are mechanical. To play in notes uses & drains the memory. This is unorthadox altogether. And not a composers way of working. Its a publishers way of working. But if you want issues that logic cannot handle apposed to finale's , I'll give you some, for example if you want to change key or time signature in a concert score between clefs or multiple changes at the same time, finale's more than capable and logic is unorthodox. Of-course their are ways of hiding these things and using the text tool in logic to accomplish, but its unorthadox, i will admit. But how often does one do something like that. Another is using guitar fret picture tablature, finale's is more than set up to handle it, scanning is another, logic will not at all scan. I keep finale on hand to use also, but not for composing or ease of use. Frankly steve i have alot of respect for you, its not that one has alot of time teaching and endless amount of time experimenting with programs. Although you might be the one person to change logic's font for everyone, who knows. You know the old saying is if it aint broke dont fix it.