Hi,

there is already a revised version online in our download area (Vienna Instruments Software Installer OS X Intel 1.07 - public beta) where the mentioned problems should not occur anymore.

Please find it here:

http://www.vsl.co.at/en-us/68/375/239.vsl

Best,

M a y a

Thanks Maya - will check it out as soon as I can.

Hi Maya,

you say

'there is already a revised version online in our download area (Vienna Instruments Software Installer OS X Intel 1.07 - public beta) where the mentioned problems should not occur anymore.'

What about us not on Intel macs yet? I'm trying to set up a slave G4 Powerbook (2gig RAM) using Plogue Bidule on OS 10.4.7. I've got 6 instances of VI running as a slave from G5 & Logic Pro by Midi over LAN. It's just unusable. The pops/clicks/glitches are constant. But i've got the VI Cube and it's too big/hungry to run on 1 G5. How do i configure multiple Macs if this set-up doesn't work?

Mark Russell

Is everyone who is slaving a Mac of any kind having this problem?

Tom

Are the pops/clicks present when the VI GUI is closed ?

Also, can it be possible that there is a sync issue here? Are the slave Macs being clocked with word clock or some kind of house sync?

TH

If i substitute VI GUI with Kontakt or Elektrik Piano in Plogue Bidule i don't get clicks/pops. My tech guru assures me there's no wordclock problem so i can only assume it's something to do with the Vienna Instruments Plug In. Any Ideas?

Many Thanks,

Mark

Mark, did you try to close the Vi Gui ?

Perhaps it seems a stupid test, but I noticed this problem on several Pc.
http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=8928

Stephane,

the VI Gui is closed. And it clicks/pops whether i've got 1 VI loaded or 7 VI's. And i always keep them closed once i've loaded up the patch/matrix.

Maybe it'd s plogue bidule thing but, as i already mentioned, Kontakt/Elektrik Piano and other plug-ins seem to work fine.

Thanks for help.

Mark

I was just thinking of getting PBiddle... I intend to run VI on my existing G5 Dual 2G and Pro Tools on the new Mac Intel. So maybe it's not a great idea....I wonder if this happens on any other hosts?

The problem with RAX as far as I can tell is that you only have a 2 channel mixer, I don't see a way to get VI's out in pairs over lightpipe to a second computer..

Tom

Hi, same problems here,

I figured it´s a Plouge problem:
I think it´s a buffer issue. you can set plogue only to 512.
When I tried Logic Express as a host- here you can set the buffer to 1024 -no pops.
Only problem here- I can only adress 16 Midi channels in LE´s enviroment.
Rax seemed nice- but only stereo out- useless for me.
V-Stack doesnt work with 48khz on a mac.

So I havent found a working slave-host yet.
Any hope for us ?

Best

Oliver

@oliverheuss said:

Hi, same problems here,

I figured it´s a Plouge problem:
I think it´s a buffer issue. you can set plogue only to 512.
When I tried Logic Express as a host- here you can set the buffer to 1024 -no pops.
Only problem here- I can only adress 16 Midi channels in LE´s enviroment.
Rax seemed nice- but only stereo out- useless for me.
V-Stack doesnt work with 48khz on a mac.

So I havent found a working slave-host yet.
Any hope for us ?

Best

Oliver

Looks like V STack then for me, I work at 44.1 ....

Interesting though, I am using Nuendo on the Mac with a 512 buffer and have no clicking problems at all. Is it ONLY when used as a slave?

Tom

@oliverheuss said:

Hi, same problems here,

I figured it´s a Plouge problem:
I think it´s a buffer issue. you can set plogue only to 512.
When I tried Logic Express as a host- here you can set the buffer to 1024 -no pops.
Only problem here- I can only adress 16 Midi channels in LE´s enviroment.
Rax seemed nice- but only stereo out- useless for me.
V-Stack doesnt work with 48khz on a mac.

So I havent found a working slave-host yet.
Any hope for us ?

Best

Oliver

Oliver, I'm not sure i understand your limitations in Logic Express.

Can't you set up Multi instruments in the environment, and route each instrument (even with it's own multiple M cha.) to a different multi instrument, if necessary?

I have 5 to play back a large orchestral, multi articulation, soundfont i use for sketching, and that 'plays' from an external SF player called simple synth.

5 times 16 = 80 potential instruments, and that's just for starters. At times i add a sixth, so i'm near a hundred tracks, and can access all instruments.

I don't know if this will help.

Good Luck,

Alex.

(Travelling and studying in Russia, with a g4 laptop, and parchment and clutch pencil at hand....)

I will admit here, i'm fairly new to Logic, and am certainly not an expert.

GUYS....

The Clicking discussed on this page applies ONLY to this:

G5's........running a slave host. (no buffering, tweaking in Bidule or RAX etc will cure this)


MAC INTEL Slaves running the new software from Vienna DO NOT click and pop anymore.

SvK

So...

In order to run MAC slaves they HAVE to be Intel Based (mac-mini's work great) AND with latest BETA software from Vienna.

MAC G5 WILL NOT WORK as slaves but DO function fine as Main DAWs.

SvK

@svonkampen said:

So...

In order to run MAC slaves they HAVE to be Intel Based (mac-mini's work great) AND with latest BETA software from Vienna.

MAC G5 WILL NOT WORK as slaves but DO function fine as Main DAWs.

SvK

It just doesn't make a bit of sense.

I can play VI in PBiddle on my G5 with an instance of VI strings up, lets say. It sounds fine.

So you are saying that if the same G5 is triggered from another Mac it will pop and click? Why? If it's an OSX thing, why isn't popping and clicking all the time, slave or not? If I have midi cable going into a Mac running PBiddle and VI, what does that computer care whether that signal is coming from a keyboard or another Mac?

Not clear on this

Tom

Tom,

It is simply a major bug in the VI software when trying to run VI instances on slaves.

Use your G5-mac as yourmaster machine (you can load it up with VIs and it won't click/pop)

Use your Intel-Mac as the slave using the new VI software (will not click -pop)

At this point this is the only solution. I believe Maya will confirm this.


SvK

But surely it must depend on the host software running on the slave. In other words the Vienna Instruments player doesn't know whether the MIDI it's receiving is coming from a controller keyboard or from a sequencer running on another computer.

Nick, Everyone else....

I bought:

VStack,
RAX
Bidule.....

I tried the VST version on all of them.....
I tried the AU version on all of them....
Every imaginable combo of Buffer settings (on all of them)
And still the G5 will click/pop when used as a slave...


The INTEL macs do NOT (with the new beta-VI software)


So ...my solutiuon (and this is the ONLY solution) is to use the G5 as the main DAW and the INTELs as the slaves....(or use only INTEL MACs)

If you only have G5s you are hosed........

that's it.....

hope this helps.


SvK

I think the problem MIGHT be the Dual G5 2.0. or earlier models. I have 2 slaves: 1 a G5 Dual 2.5 and a Quad using DP4 as the hosts. They both perform fairly well. The 2.5 hosts the Winds and the Quad hosts the Brass+ Percussion. The performance meters in DP peak red occasionally on busy passages but I don't hear any clicks or pops. I did however, hear tons of clicks and pops on a G5 Dual 2.0 before I sold it.

Now keeping in mind that the main DAW is a Quad and hosts all the Strings, Harps, Pianos + Altiverb 5 and it performs very well. So there is a problem somewhere with the slaves. Go figure. It doesn't make sense. I should try running the slaves with a master midi clock. or alternatively record the slave midi performances on the slaves themselves and see what happens so in other words we could try running 3 sequencers simultaneously and see what happens..