@julian said:

Just a note that there is a parallel discussion which i expect is the same issue in the thread "Load Times in Logic" http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=8753[/url]

Though i don't believe it is necessarily a Logic issue as the stanalone is exhibiting identical load times in my case.

Thanks Julian for the link!
I just tried it out in Logic, not with the standalone yet.
Actually i still work with logic 7.1.1, but my 7.2 update should arrive tomorrow...
I'll try it with that version as soon as i can.

Greets:
HTF

I think the launch time is directly related to the number of collections - mine more than doubled when I installed the final 5 collections of the Cube and Appassionata Strings. When I've just put a single collection in the directory launch times are a few seconds. Christian and Maya have both confirmed the long launch times are not what they are experiencing so this is good news however there are a fair number of posters reporting 7 minute start times and I've yet to here of anyone outside of VSLreporting under 6-7 miunutes for a full collection.

Julian

I want to add some lateral thinking to this long load time problem.

I find that when I first launch VI Standalone or the AU plug-in, load time is very long (5-7 mins). If I quit and re-launch, it is quicker. I believe it has something to do with vsl daemon - if this is already running in the background, "re-" launch times are faster. Also, if I launch VI Standalone first, then the AU plugin starts within 30 secs in Logic.

If I log out or shut down my G5, the whole process starts again - 7 mins to launch whatever I launch first. Is it possible that you folks at VSL do not log out or ever shut down and therefore your start times are always fast? If so, please turn off your Mac and try again with your stopwatch in hand.....

Regards - Colin

On my PC there is a huge difference between the first launch time after rebooting the computer and the second launch from an already powered-on computer.

--Jay

5 to 7 min???

Geeze! Mine takes 10 sec even after shutting off and back on, and I'm ready to roll.
You guys must of screwed up with your installation!





kidding! Mine also takes 5-7 min. [[;)]]

@Another User said:

Currently most people are reporting 7 minute launch times

i'd rather say *some* instead of *most*.
as usual none of the machines here show this behaviour and we have to ask the concerned users for help to get some clue what's the difference on their machines.
to have it mentioned: our setups here have *normal* ViennaKeys with *normal* licenses and plain FW-drives (maxtor and no-name)
christian

Hi Christian,

Everyone who has responded to this thread and the Logic Load Times thread has reported similar start times of 7 minutes - can you think of any way the systems you are running at VSL are any different - could it be for example your .dat files and folders were dragged and dopped from other drives rather than individually installed from DVD with the installer (particularly as this is a long process)?

Thanks

julian

What we haven't read is *any* end user getting one minute load times.

All posters are at 5 to 7 minutes on initial launch. And I'm 8:33 minutes, owing to a Dual 1.8. I've got 4.5 GB, a Maxtor system drive of 150 GB, a Hitachi data drive of 250GB, and a LaCie external firewire of 250GB.

The only thing I can add to the discussion is that my load times didn't change from (Orch Strings I and II, Woodwinds I) to (Orch Strings I and II, Woodwinds I, Brass I and Solo Strings).

I can affirm that, once launched, the loads are much faster when opening subsequent Logic songs. I've assumed that this is because the VSL daemon is already running.

To repeat ad infinitum, "scanning licenses" sticks on my computer for about three minutes. The actual VSL loading time of data is okay. But add three minutes to it, and it can be pre-emptive to some tasks.

By the way, loading VI's within Logic is remarkably fast when one considers the amount of header data going in. I'm grateful for that.

Of course the most obvious answer lies in the fact that all of you are using a Mac. I can't say how long it would take to load the first VI with all 10 collections on one PC as I don't have it set up that way, but I do have Strings I, Strings II, Solo Strings, Chamber Strings all on one PC and it takes about 55 seconds for the first VI after boot up to load. I think that it would be useful for you guys to work out whether or not it is a Logic thing or a Mac thing.

DG

It's not a Logic thing specifically as the Standalone also takes 7 minutes to launch.

DG when I restricted the Vienna Directory to just the Strings (Orchestral 1+2 Solo,Chamber, Appassionata I get a launch time around a minute as well.

Julian

Now that I think of it, it use to load very quickly early on [:D] and suddenly it took time [:(] , I probably thought it was an isolated thing so didn't pay much attention to it at the time.

@julian said:

It's not a Logic thing specifically as the Standalone also takes 7 minutes to launch.

DG when I restricted the Vienna Directory to just the Strings (Orchestral 1+2 Solo,Chamber, Appassionata I get a launch time around a minute as well.

Julian

I know that you probably have better things to do, but it would be useful to know how many collections actually causes this huge delay in start-up, as four is obviously OK.

DG

It's cumulative - swith the first collections it was 2 mins 30 second for me with App strings and the rest (all extended versions) this has grown to 7 minutes. It works out at about 5 seconds per folder.

Julian

@julian said:

It's cumulative - swith the first collections it was 2 mins 30 second for me with App strings and the rest (all extended versions) this has grown to 7 minutes. It works out at about 5 seconds per folder.

Julian

This makes sense to me, a fully loaded train doesn't take the same time to start and move forward as a motorcycle does...

@julian said:

It's cumulative - swith the first collections it was 2 mins 30 second for me with App strings and the rest (all extended versions) this has grown to 7 minutes. It works out at about 5 seconds per folder.

Julian

This makes sense to me, a fully loaded train doesn't take the same time to start and move forward as a motorcycle does...

It does if it's a Honda 50 with a family of 6 on board [:D]

@julian said:

It's cumulative - swith the first collections it was 2 mins 30 second for me with App strings and the rest (all extended versions) this has grown to 7 minutes. It works out at about 5 seconds per folder.

Julian

That is still longer than mine. I'm loading 4 collections in under a minute, which should give all 10 collections in 2 minutes 30 seconds (although I can't test this).

DG

On a G5 Dual 2 GHz... (MacOS X.4.6)

Standalone: 1st launch: 3 min 10 sec (more or less)

2nd launch: 25 sec... both... Standalone or within Logic (7.2.1)

4 collections...

[8-)]

@rino amato said:

On a G5 Dual 2 GHz... (MacOS X.4.6)

Standalone: 1st launch: 3 min 10 sec (more or less)

2nd launch: 25 sec... both... Standalone or within Logic (7.2.1)

4 collections...

[8-)]

So it's a Mac thing. Right, I'll butt out then........!

DG

@rino amato said:

On a G5 Dual 2 GHz... (MacOS X.4.6)

Standalone: 1st launch: 3 min 10 sec (more or less)

2nd launch: 25 sec... both... Standalone or within Logic (7.2.1)

4 collections...

[8-)]

So it's a Mac thing. Right, I'll butt out then........!

DG

Possibly as my MacBook Pro booted in Windows takes 2 minutes for the whole collections.

Julian

@Another User said:

julian, it should not exceed 60 seconds (wasn't that mentioned actually in this thread already?)
let us know what about your machine is different from a standard G5 - except RAM, i'd assume you have more [;)]
christian

Just to clear up the confusion i quote Herb from the Thread "Load times in Logic" where he confirms that initial boot times of several minutes are expected for the Vienna Instruments.

Julian


"I think there is a general missconception.
I think Maya's 30 to 60 seconds startuptime refer to a startup of a VI after of opening a new logic project and not a startup after rebooting the computer.

That means after a reboot you have to wait several minutes, depending how much content is added in your Directory Manager of the VI.

If you change to a different logic project (no reboot), the startuptime of the first VI instance should be less than one minute (with the whole Symphonic Cube added)

If your workflow needs a lot of reboots of your computer (changing the studio etc.) we recommend only to add the instruments in Directory Manager which were needed.

I have also talked with our developement team to add a save/load option into Directory Manager, so you can easy and fast setup the needed instruments for a certain project.

best
Herb"