Christian, please forgive the question if it sounds strange, but what would you consider to be an "abnormal" Vienna Key? A stock Syncrosoft dongle or any third-party dongle other than the one which shipped with VI?

Also, what would you consider to an "abnormal" license? Is a normal license one that does not include the Extended upgrade? I'm a little confused... [:O]ops:

hehe ... there are all application keys and all-application licenses for in-house use, which might show different behaviour. i just wanted to point out we are using the same enviroment like everyone including *normal* installed libraries from the original DVDs (not copied from some master)
christian

Hi Christian,

i have tried everything so far that Maya has suggested. Everyone responding to the thread "Load times in Logic" have reported the long load times but that's not to say thousands out there don't have 30 second load times!

How long, on a G52.5 Dual 6.5GB RAM should it take to launch an empty first instance of Vienna Instruments when the full Symphonic Cube and Appassionata Strings are installed..... and what can i try to reduce the 7 Minutes 15 seconds it takes my system.

I've tried the Vienna Key on all USB ports including directly on the G5, I've tried deleting all the files locations in the directory manager and remade these. (with no directories listed in the directory manager launch time is a few seconds). I've tried moving the custom data file to /Lib/App support/VSL/Vienna Instruments - Custom Data. I'm on the latest software versions of Vienna instruments and Synchrosoft.

help!

thanks

Julian

@cm said:

hehe ... there are all application keys and all-application licenses for in-house use, which might show different behaviour. i just wanted to point out we are using the same enviroment like everyone including *normal* installed libraries from the original DVDs (not copied from some master)
christian

Christian,

"... which might show different behaviour..."

Do you have a retail Vienna Key/License set up to see if this causes the long load times being experienced with the full cube.

Julian

julian, either i don't understand your last post or the answer is my reply to yours - we _use_ the same parts/licenses/disks you have too
christian

Christian,

How long should my boot time be for Vienna Instruments (G5 2.5 Dual) with the full Symphonic Cube (extended) installed?

thanks

Julian

julian, it should not exceed 60 seconds (wasn't that mentioned actually in this thread already?)
let us know what about your machine is different from a standard G5 - except RAM, i'd assume you have more [;)]
christian

Well firstly that's really good news that it shouldn't be 7 minutes!

Now my machine is a G5 2.5 Dual with 6.5 GB of RAM. It has 2 internal 250 GB drives the system drive has 80Gb of used sectors. I have various external drives but the only 2 connected currently are a 4 Drive Raid 0 1.6TB SATA 2 Drive and a 500GB Firewire drive. The Vienna Instruments are installed on both these drives. I have tried the boot times with only one of each drive connected (amending the directory manager accordingly) this makes no difference. The G5 also has dual 30" cinema displays - though i can't see this affecting anything.

Booting VI with no directoried in the manager takes 15 seconds. Checking my licences in licence control takes 10 seconds all are present and correct. I'm on the latest software OS and VI and Synchrosoft (it was equally slow with an earlier version of Synchrosoft software) In all other respects the G5 is totally stable without any app problems.

i wrote this in the thread "Logic load times" it may help:

"When I launch the Vienna Instruments application for the first time it appears to scan the licences after approx 10 seconds then there appears to be nothig happenning. If you open activity monitor it shows vienna Instruments as "not responding" however if you double click on the app and select "open files and ports" you can see in the next line to bottom it is actually scanning the folders selected in directory manager. It is doing this at a rate of 1 folder every 5 seconds. Thew Symphonic Cube and Appassionata Strings have 86 folders so this is equating to the 7 minute start time a number of us are encountering.

Once this scaniing process is complete the standalone opens. I guess the same process is occuring when the VI's are opened in Logic.

My Vienna Instrument File Structure is disc/Vienna Instruments/01 Solo violin...86 Percussion which is i think the default installation of the Vienna Installer."


thanks

julian

@cm said:

as usual none of the machines here show this behaviour and we have to ask the concerned users for help to get some clue what's the difference on their machines.
to have it mentioned: our setups here have *normal* ViennaKeys with *normal* licenses and plain FW-drives (maxtor and no-name)
christian

Me too. Loading time is over 7 minutes on a G5 DP 2.5, 4.5 GB Ram.
There are no other licences on the Syncrosoft key, just the Cube...

Would be cool if you could find a solution...

Greets:
HTF

Just a note that there is a parallel discussion which i expect is the same issue in the thread "Load Times in Logic" http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=8753[/url]

Though i don't believe it is necessarily a Logic issue as the stanalone is exhibiting identical load times in my case.

julian

@julian said:

Just a note that there is a parallel discussion which i expect is the same issue in the thread "Load Times in Logic" http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?t=8753[/url]

Though i don't believe it is necessarily a Logic issue as the stanalone is exhibiting identical load times in my case.

Thanks Julian for the link!
I just tried it out in Logic, not with the standalone yet.
Actually i still work with logic 7.1.1, but my 7.2 update should arrive tomorrow...
I'll try it with that version as soon as i can.

Greets:
HTF

I think the launch time is directly related to the number of collections - mine more than doubled when I installed the final 5 collections of the Cube and Appassionata Strings. When I've just put a single collection in the directory launch times are a few seconds. Christian and Maya have both confirmed the long launch times are not what they are experiencing so this is good news however there are a fair number of posters reporting 7 minute start times and I've yet to here of anyone outside of VSLreporting under 6-7 miunutes for a full collection.

Julian

I want to add some lateral thinking to this long load time problem.

I find that when I first launch VI Standalone or the AU plug-in, load time is very long (5-7 mins). If I quit and re-launch, it is quicker. I believe it has something to do with vsl daemon - if this is already running in the background, "re-" launch times are faster. Also, if I launch VI Standalone first, then the AU plugin starts within 30 secs in Logic.

If I log out or shut down my G5, the whole process starts again - 7 mins to launch whatever I launch first. Is it possible that you folks at VSL do not log out or ever shut down and therefore your start times are always fast? If so, please turn off your Mac and try again with your stopwatch in hand.....

Regards - Colin

On my PC there is a huge difference between the first launch time after rebooting the computer and the second launch from an already powered-on computer.

--Jay

5 to 7 min???

Geeze! Mine takes 10 sec even after shutting off and back on, and I'm ready to roll.
You guys must of screwed up with your installation!





kidding! Mine also takes 5-7 min. [[;)]]

@Another User said:

Currently most people are reporting 7 minute launch times

i'd rather say *some* instead of *most*.
as usual none of the machines here show this behaviour and we have to ask the concerned users for help to get some clue what's the difference on their machines.
to have it mentioned: our setups here have *normal* ViennaKeys with *normal* licenses and plain FW-drives (maxtor and no-name)
christian

Hi Christian,

Everyone who has responded to this thread and the Logic Load Times thread has reported similar start times of 7 minutes - can you think of any way the systems you are running at VSL are any different - could it be for example your .dat files and folders were dragged and dopped from other drives rather than individually installed from DVD with the installer (particularly as this is a long process)?

Thanks

julian

What we haven't read is *any* end user getting one minute load times.

All posters are at 5 to 7 minutes on initial launch. And I'm 8:33 minutes, owing to a Dual 1.8. I've got 4.5 GB, a Maxtor system drive of 150 GB, a Hitachi data drive of 250GB, and a LaCie external firewire of 250GB.

The only thing I can add to the discussion is that my load times didn't change from (Orch Strings I and II, Woodwinds I) to (Orch Strings I and II, Woodwinds I, Brass I and Solo Strings).

I can affirm that, once launched, the loads are much faster when opening subsequent Logic songs. I've assumed that this is because the VSL daemon is already running.

To repeat ad infinitum, "scanning licenses" sticks on my computer for about three minutes. The actual VSL loading time of data is okay. But add three minutes to it, and it can be pre-emptive to some tasks.

By the way, loading VI's within Logic is remarkably fast when one considers the amount of header data going in. I'm grateful for that.

Of course the most obvious answer lies in the fact that all of you are using a Mac. I can't say how long it would take to load the first VI with all 10 collections on one PC as I don't have it set up that way, but I do have Strings I, Strings II, Solo Strings, Chamber Strings all on one PC and it takes about 55 seconds for the first VI after boot up to load. I think that it would be useful for you guys to work out whether or not it is a Logic thing or a Mac thing.

DG

It's not a Logic thing specifically as the Standalone also takes 7 minutes to launch.

DG when I restricted the Vienna Directory to just the Strings (Orchestral 1+2 Solo,Chamber, Appassionata I get a launch time around a minute as well.

Julian

Now that I think of it, it use to load very quickly early on [:D] and suddenly it took time [:(] , I probably thought it was an isolated thing so didn't pay much attention to it at the time.