A few questions regarding VI

[Alex O]

Hi there,

Since the projects I'm working on require more possibilities then I currently have using the Pro Edition/horizon with GS3, I'm about to make "the leap" to the VI (read: mercilessly abuse my credit card...)
I have a few last questions though that weren't clear in the video tutorials.
If they've been posted before, I apologize beforehand.

Here goes:

1. How does the VI output routing work? Is there an internal mixer, where I can (for ex) narrow the stereo width of a channel (very necessary, I do it all the time in GS3), or do I need to do this in Nuendo?

2. Can I open several VI's at the same time in Nuendo, and assign them to different ports to have more than 16 Midi channels? (I have Motu Midi Express 12[H]

3. In GS3, I can never load all instruments at once needed for a score.
This requires me to render tracks as audio, and then add more instruments, which is not a good way of working for me.
If I got it right from everything I read and saw, the RAM-save function of the VI should be my dream come through. Am I right?

Can I (for ex) load all patches of the Violin, play that track in Midi, delete all unused samples and then move on to the next instrument?

If that's true, I can finally input & play an entire score at once, and edit everything before mixing down. That would make me very happy indeed.

I guess I'd just like to have it confirmed, to make really really sure!


Big thanks in advance for answering my questions!

Greetings from Belgium,

Alex

[fahl5]

@Another User said:

If that's true, I can finally input & play an entire score at once, and edit everything before mixing down. That would make me very happy indeed.

The only thing that can make you happy like this is a Supercomputer or enough slavemachines to play the entire score at once, because you have to finish the track of a VI before you can activate the Samplereduction since the universal presets especialy L2, are realy hungry for RAM, that you even with a couple of Slaves inevitable need the RAM-reduction-function to run more than one or two Instrumentgroups on one machine.

So there are still dreams left to come true, but nevertheless the VI is more than a big leap forward in that direction.
best
Steffen

[Alex O]

@fahl5 said:

The only thing that can make you happy like this is a Supercomputer or enough slavemachines to play the entire score at once, because you have to finish the track of a VI before you can activate the Samplereduction since the universal presets especialy L2, are realy hungry for RAM, that you even with a couple of Slaves inevitable need the RAM-reduction-function to run more than one or two Instrumentgroups on one machine.

Hi Steffen, thanks for your amazingly fast reply!

But I' not really sure if I understand the above.
Not to argue, but to make sure:

The way I work is: first write the score, orchestrate, and then I move on to realizing it with samples.
So let's say (to keep it simple) I wrote a piece for string quartet. So I start with the Violin. I load all the needed sounds of the Violin into the VI (stacc, sus, perf leg...whatever the notes dictate) and play it in my Midi sequencer. From first note till end of the score.

Now I use the ram-save function, which removes all unused notes.
So I have a lot of RAm available again to load and midi-record the Viola now. I repeat the RAM-saver after the Viola Midi-track is finished, and continue on until all is recorded in midi.

Unless I used every note of the instrument (never did that in my life), I now should be able to monitor and edit the entire string quartet live, am I correct? Presuming of course I have a lot of Ram.
In GS3 I'd probably run out of memory after loading two instruments with all their variations, including performance sets.

If I can use the VI the way I described above, then it would indeed be a serious leap forward!

Thanks for your help,

Alex

[DG]

@Alex O said:

The way I work is: first write the score, orchestrate, and then I move on to realizing it with samples.
So let's say (to keep it simple) I wrote a piece for string quartet. So I start with the Violin. I load all the needed sounds of the Violin into the VI (stacc, sus, perf leg...whatever the notes dictate) and play it in my Midi sequencer. From first note till end of the score.

Now I use the ram-save function, which removes all unused notes.
So I have a lot of RAm available again to load and midi-record the Viola now. I repeat the RAM-saver after the Viola Midi-track is finished, and continue on until all is recorded in midi.

Unless I used every note of the instrument (never did that in my life), I now should be able to monitor and edit the entire string quartet live, am I correct? Presuming of course I have a lot of Ram.
In GS3 I'd probably run out of memory after loading two instruments with all their variations, including performance sets.

If I can use the VI the way I described above, then it would indeed be a serious leap forward!

Thanks for your help,

Alex

This is correct, but do remember that if you change any notes or articulations when you edit, you might have already dumped these and have to reload the respective samples. Also remember that not only can VI address over 2.5 times as much memory as GS, it is also nearly 100% more efficient, so 1 VI PC (with 3-4Gb RAM) is worth 4-5 GS3 PCs.

DG

[fahl5]

@DG said:

Also remember that not only can VI address over 2.5 times as much memory as GS, it is also nearly 100% more efficient, so 1 VI PC (with 3-4Gb RAM) is worth 4-5 GS3 PCs.

DG

But since the VI-Libraries have nearly 100% more Samples than former VSL-Libraries, you still need the same number of slaves you needed before to realize those at least 2,5 times better Scores you can do with all the new Samples you'll get with the VI's [[;)]]
(not to mention another one for your other GS3-Samples)
cheers
Steffen

[Christian Marcussen]

Not entirely true. In GS3 I used to only have staccatos and performance legatos loaded, and then I still had to forget about some instruments (solo strings, many winds and brass).

I'm building my template up as we speak - and so far I have every single instrument* in my template and with loads of dynamic samples, staccatos and legato for each.

Wonderful

* Except Vienna oboe, English horn 1 and Flute 2. I may add these though if I have room for it.

[Alex O]

Gentlemen, damned be you all!
For you have me convinced...
To spend a lot of money once again [[;)]]

Thank you all for your help, and have a very nice evening!

Alex