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    @strawinsky said:

    Assuming that's what he's referring to, then that ain't a lot of channels. Hmm...


    Right... [;)]

    Chainer eh? Along side with V-Stack, or loaded into V-Stack?I would imagine that there might be problems running them side by side, but in any case you can load it into a channel of V-Stack. How it addresses that MIDI I couldn't say, having never tried it.

    DG
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    I'm confused why you want want more than one MIDI channel, since the whole point of the player is that you can do it all on one track and channel. You use controllers and keyswitches to change presets, right?

    If you want to send data from more than one track in your sequencer, you can just assign them to the same channel.

    What does Chainer get you?
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    I'm confused why you want want more than one MIDI channel, since the whole point of the player is that you can do it all on one track and channel. You use controllers and keyswitches to change presets, right?

    If you want to send data from more than one track in your sequencer, you can just assign them to the same channel.

    What does Chainer get you?
    More MIDI channels than 16?

    DG
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    I'm confused why you want want more than one MIDI channel, since the whole point of the player is that you can do it all on one track and channel.


    One of my PC's will have Percussion and Harps on it. This will exceed 16 channels I think
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    Each instrument in V-Stack can access 16 MIDI channels. If you need more, open up another instrument and send it MIDI on another port. I'm using MIDI Over LAN, and every slot has access to every virtual port, so there are far more MIDI channels than anyone would ever need.

    Why do you need Chainer to get more MIDI channels?
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    Good point Nick. I am on MOL - this would work perfect!


    Rob
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    Each instrument in V-Stack can access 16 MIDI channels. If you need more, open up another instrument and send it MIDI on another port. I'm using MIDI Over LAN, and every slot has access to every virtual port, so there are far more MIDI channels than anyone would ever need.

    I don't understand. If you load a Vienna VI into 1 channel of V-Stack how do you get more than one MIDI channel on that port?

    DG
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    Hi Daryl,

    With MOL (midi over lan), you get 8 'ports' for each PC. You have a cooresponding port on the main Daw. Each 'port' then has 16 midi channels available 8 x 16 = total 96 seperate midi channels / parts on each slave (via MOL).


    Hope that explains OK.


    Rob
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    @Rob Elliott said:

    Hi Daryl,

    With MOL (midi over lan), you get 8 'ports' for each PC. You have a cooresponding port on the main Daw. Each 'port' then has 16 midi channels available 8 x 16 = total 96 seperate midi channels / parts on each slave (via MOL).


    Hope that explains OK.


    Rob

    Sorry, that doesn't explain OK. As far as I can see it is irrelevant how many million MIDI channels MOL or any other MIDI interface, virtual or not, gives you. If you have one Vienna VI in one port of V-Stack how can you use more than one channel on that port when VI is not multitimbral? Whatever the MIDI channel number on that port it will still go to one instance of VI.

    DG
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    The answer is in your question, DG: the player is not multitimbral, so it only receives on one MIDI channel. Anything you send on other channels is ignored.

    If you're using a multitimbral instrument in V-Stack, such as Kontakt set that slot to receive All Channels. Then you tune the individual slots inside Kontakt to the channels you want.

    You can't use all of Kontakt's 64 channels, if that's what you mean. I believe it has to be run stand-alone for that.
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    Note that there are two settings in V-Stack slots: the MIDI port and the MIDI channel. Each V-Stack slot has access to a maximum of 16 channels, in other words.
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    Actually, that's not even true - a V-Stack slot can access All MIDI Inputs, so it can play back as many channels as you send it.

    I take it back.
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    What is all this to and froing. I sated about a million years ago that you can't get more than 16 MIDI channels using Vienna VI in V-Stack. Some of you think that you can. I say prove it [8o|]

    I can do it using a combination of V-stack and Chainer, but I still don't see how to do it without. Let me put it as simply as I can, maybe so even a Mac user can understand it [8-)]

    V-Stack has 16 ports
    Each one is capable of receiving 16 MIDI channels
    If you load K2 into one channel you can use all 16 channels, because K2 is multitimbral
    If you load RMX you can get 8 channels, because it only has 8 per instance.
    If you load Atmosphere you can only get one as it is not multitimbral.
    Therefore if you load Vienna Vi...........
    If you load Chainer into one port it gives you 10 channels, each of which can be set to a different MIDI channel.
    Therefore if you load a Vienna VI into each channel you can get 10 instances on 1 V-Stack channel.

    Please show where I'm wrong, because it seems so simple to me [8-)]

    DG
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    @DG said:


    Let me put it as simply as I can, maybe so even a Mac user can understand it [8-)]

    DG


    mmmmm - ever considered therapy?
    [[;)]]
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    Then why didn't you just say "You can only load 16 instances of Vienna Instruments in V-Stack's 16 slots, and I think that's a problem" in the first place? Instead you asked about MIDI channels, so that's where the discussion went.

    Had you used language that expresses what you're trying to communicate and not something different, the people here who are only trying to help [:)] would have answered Yes, that is a limitation of V-Stack, and there are other hosts that have more slots.

    However, we don't know whether the percussion player will in fact require lots of instances to cover all the different instruments. Therefore running out of slots may not be an issue. If it is, the answer is not to use V-Stack.
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    Because posting in the Vienna Instruments forum should be context enough to understand why its not relevant how many midi channels each port can handle. It should quite clear what I was talking about [:)]
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    I was answering DG at that point, not you.
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    Lol ok.. sorry[:)]

    Please continue [:D]
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    children children please......!

    Lets all take a breath!!!

    [:D]
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    @Nick Batzdorf said:

    Then why didn't you just say "You can only load 16 instances of Vienna Instruments in V-Stack's 16 slots, and I think that's a problem" in the first place? Instead you asked about MIDI channels, so that's where the discussion went.

    Nice try, but if you look back at the thread this all started with "Why do you need Chainer?".

    In any case I don't think that it is a problem, as you can use Chainer in conjunction with V-Stack and therefore have access to 160 MIDI channels.

    DG