anyone continued a track using the av strings and care posting a mp3?
i'm curious what you all did since the strings were released.
i'm curious what you all did since the strings were released.
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@tom@aerovons.com said:
Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[;)]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[;)]]
Tom
That's pretty much how I think, the ear perceives a constant vibrato but at various intensities. I'd be very surprised to hear an orchestral recording where at some point the vibrato is dead.
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@tom@aerovons.com said:
Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[[;)]]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[[;)]]]
Tom
That's pretty much how I think, the ear perceives a constant vibrato but at various intensities.
Yes Guy, that's really it. The intensity does ebb and flow.
Boy I really love what VSL has done with these strings. I can finally play high notes without cringing[[[;)]]] Very smooth sound. A lot to play with here!
Tom
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@tom@aerovons.com said:
Not really, if you are doing anything "in period".....listen to any of the old arrangements done on Sinatra recordings, or virtualy any film score from the 40s.....vibrato is heavy and omnipresent....
Tom
Sorry, you don't understand how violin technique works. You can't play everything with heavy vibrato. The sustained notes have it, but the hand has to stop moving in order to change the note. Actually, you can do a kind of vibrato on faster notes, but it can't be as wide, therefore the heavy vibrato notes can't be used on all notes. Just try it and you will find that it sounds like a bad LFO. The 40's recordings use a different sort of vibrato anyway, so there is not much point in comparing these with AV.
DG
Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[;)]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[;)]]
Tom
I'm sorry if you think that I've insulted you; it was certainly not my intention. However, if you think that it takes a millisecond to change from a note with vibrato to another note with vibrato, then you are obviously a much better player than I am [:D]
If you want to hear vibrato from the forties, you only have to listen; it is all to do with amplitude and speed. I never said that it was invented in the forties; you made that up [8-)]
DG
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DG, I have a question for you. Are you a violinist? I think it's interesting to have feedback from violin players.
Yes, in my younger days I was Professor of Violin at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama as well as an examiner for their external Grade and Diploma exams.
DG
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I can finally play high notes without cringing[;)]
by the way, these patches playrange go up to A7:
11 VI-20_sus_Vib
21 VI-20_sfz
02 VI-20_perf-spiccato_fa
03 VI-20_perf-harsh_fa
02 VI-20_perf-rep_por (G#7)
03 VI-20_perf-rep_spi
04 VI-20_perf-rep_harsh
best
Herb
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I can finally play high notes without cringing[;)]
by the way, these patches playrange go up to A7:
11 VI-20_sus_Vib
21 VI-20_sfz
02 VI-20_perf-spiccato_fa
03 VI-20_perf-harsh_fa
02 VI-20_perf-rep_por (G#7)
03 VI-20_perf-rep_spi
04 VI-20_perf-rep_harsh
best
Herb
I've just been using the Perf Legatos and the Prog Vibratos, and the high notes seem so much better. I put the old Legato Vlns in and if you switch between them and the new ones, there is a great textural difference. I really love these new strings. I still wouldn't call them "Epic"...not in the sense that the Epic Horns are, but they are so much better than what we've had for first violins. Can't thank you enough and I hope the work continues...would be great to hear muted violins in this fashion, and yes, CELLOS!
Tom
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Excellent, excellent work on the Appassionata Violins. Nothing I've ever heard from ANY other library even comes close. In addition to the great expression and tone of the violins, all the notes up and down the keyboard (including the legato instruments) are very even in timbre, with no notes sticking out or sounding thin or shrill in any way. Fantastic.
Gary
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@tom@aerovons.com said:
Yes Guy, that's really it. The intensity does ebb and flow.
Tom
Tom, what's ebb? [*-)] These abbreviation drives me nuts being french and all.... [[;)]]
"ebb and flow" - "to and fro" - "back and forth"
as of the tides. [:)]
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Guy,
The term 'ebb' is not an abbreviation but means to reduce or lessen and is most often used to describe the movement of the tide back out to sea. So the phrase 'ebb and flow' describes a constant pattern of movement back and forth or in terms of dynamics, gradually less and more.
Maybe you can improve my French sometime. It really sucks!
Colin
Edit: Beaten to the punch by Dave - I really must try and use less words in my responses. [:)]
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AC=Appassionata Cellos=Me want=Me pay [:D]
(great job on the AV's)
Rob
I Too Pay Money For AC or Cellonata....
Yup....count me in too!
Me to... what about basses and viola? I'm not too interested in them, so I hope I wouldnt have to buy them all. I mean - sure I would like to have them, but I'm not sure the money/usage ratio is high enough... in fact I'm not even sure we need appasionate basses and viola? Thoughts?
However I'm also sure that if VSL do only the cello and violins, people will bitch about not having basses and violas - which is fair enough I guess. But to me they have no great interest. I'm still really dying to have VSL's take on etnic intstruments although I seem to recall these were far, far away, although planned at some point.
ps: I'm getting desperate. I really want to use my last 5 collections. And I also hope we will get some info on whats next for VSL. Obviously there is their 'Elements' collection which I'm looking forward to. And then we have the saxes, and guitars. But after that? One can only wonder. One thing is certain. I'll be there!