Guy


The one above is the dedicated Legato Violin...


Now for the 2nd "pad style" Violin Instrument

Create 6 horizontal cells, and set them to keyswitch


Cell1: sus_Vib-progr keyE1
Cell2: dyn-me_2s keyF1
Cell3: pfp-4s keyF#1
Cell4: dyn-me_3s keyG1
Cell5: pfp_6s keyG#1
Cell6: dyn-me_4s keyA1


Make sure the A/B switch for the "dyn-me" is set to decresc......


Example: keyswitch to pfp-4s and play 2notes g+a hold them until pfp is at loudest then keyswitch to "dyn-me_3s and play f#+a#

Now play the same notes again but keyswitch to the pfp-6 sec and hold till it is at its loudest, then keyswitch to dyn-me_4sec.

you get the idea [;)]

INSTANT bernard herrmann


PS: On this instrument leave velocity cross-fading turned OFF

I also include a 7th cell and assign it to the staccatos.......I then can do those super tense pfp to staccato type deals.

SvK

SvK

Tokm....

You need to launch the APP called .........LibrAry installer and then direct yourself to the package file...

Remeber? Just like when you first installed VI.

SvK

@svonkampen said:

Tokm....

You need to launch the APP called .........LibrAry installer and then direct yourself to the package file...

Remeber? Just like when you first installed VI.

SvK

Wait, I was launching the wrong installer app...got it! It's installing now....

Thanks!

Tom

1) You should have a folder with 13 cabs and 1 package file.....Make sure that EACH cab is circa 120 meg big EXCEPT the last cab which I think is about 16 meg.......

If they the first 12 cabs are NOT all 120 meg big, then you have bad downloads.......just read this entire thread for how to download them easier.

2) Launch Library Installer....direct yourself to the package file and set the destination to where the whole library is......this will take some minutes to expand files.

3) Launch VIenna Directory manager and ADD Apass Strings.....

That's it.

SvK

@tom@aerovons.com said:

Not really, if you are doing anything "in period".....listen to any of the old arrangements done on Sinatra recordings, or virtualy any film score from the 40s.....vibrato is heavy and omnipresent....

Tom

Sorry, you don't understand how violin technique works. You can't play everything with heavy vibrato. The sustained notes have it, but the hand has to stop moving in order to change the note. Actually, you can do a kind of vibrato on faster notes, but it can't be as wide, therefore the heavy vibrato notes can't be used on all notes. Just try it and you will find that it sounds like a bad LFO. The 40's recordings use a different sort of vibrato anyway, so there is not much point in comparing these with AV.

DG

And I think that 40's vibrato was what Matt1 was looking for - just a guess.

@tom@aerovons.com said:

Not really, if you are doing anything "in period".....listen to any of the old arrangements done on Sinatra recordings, or virtualy any film score from the 40s.....vibrato is heavy and omnipresent....

Tom

Sorry, you don't understand how violin technique works. You can't play everything with heavy vibrato. The sustained notes have it, but the hand has to stop moving in order to change the note. Actually, you can do a kind of vibrato on faster notes, but it can't be as wide, therefore the heavy vibrato notes can't be used on all notes. Just try it and you will find that it sounds like a bad LFO. The 40's recordings use a different sort of vibrato anyway, so there is not much point in comparing these with AV.

DG

I know a alcoholic violin player who will disagree with you about playing every note with heavy vibrato.... on the 2 till 5 session after a liquid lunch he plays everything molto espressivo !!!!

Sorry - all joking aside, DG is right - you pick 'key' notes out of a passage, (normally longer notes or where the melody needs to soar) and employ this device there.

To Christian:
Propably yes. If I just could have a listen to the different articulations (short melody, very simple - E - D- A) would be enough.
We just did a recording session with 8 Violins and Celli, Viola...
The sound is awesome. As far as I can hear, the AV sound very epic, not suptile enough. I can not say mor, because Herb is NOT posting any demo at all, or I cannot find it.
I would buy OS1 straight away when we could replace Violins (in an orcherstra playing live) by VSL... [*-)]

Propably there are lyrical vibrato patches etc. in it - but how should I know???

These strings ARE epic - they are recordings of 20 violins! - nothing subtle about that [:)]

The work title of these violins was 'Epic Violins'... But maybe at low volume layered with chamber strings is more what you are after. I dunno.

Maybe when VSL does a full appasionate collection you will see patches more akin to what you are looking for.

@tom@aerovons.com said:

Not really, if you are doing anything "in period".....listen to any of the old arrangements done on Sinatra recordings, or virtualy any film score from the 40s.....vibrato is heavy and omnipresent....

Tom

Sorry, you don't understand how violin technique works. You can't play everything with heavy vibrato. The sustained notes have it, but the hand has to stop moving in order to change the note. Actually, you can do a kind of vibrato on faster notes, but it can't be as wide, therefore the heavy vibrato notes can't be used on all notes. Just try it and you will find that it sounds like a bad LFO. The 40's recordings use a different sort of vibrato anyway, so there is not much point in comparing these with AV.



DG

Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[;)]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[;)]]

Tom

anyone continued a track using the av strings and care posting a mp3?
i'm curious what you all did since the strings were released.

@tom@aerovons.com said:

Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[;)]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[;)]]

Tom

That's pretty much how I think, the ear perceives a constant vibrato but at various intensities. I'd be very surprised to hear an orchestral recording where at some point the vibrato is dead.

@tom@aerovons.com said:

Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[[;)]]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[[;)]]]

Tom

That's pretty much how I think, the ear perceives a constant vibrato but at various intensities.

Yes Guy, that's really it. The intensity does ebb and flow.

Boy I really love what VSL has done with these strings. I can finally play high notes without cringing[[[;)]]] Very smooth sound. A lot to play with here!

Tom

@tom@aerovons.com said:

Not really, if you are doing anything "in period".....listen to any of the old arrangements done on Sinatra recordings, or virtualy any film score from the 40s.....vibrato is heavy and omnipresent....

Tom

Sorry, you don't understand how violin technique works. You can't play everything with heavy vibrato. The sustained notes have it, but the hand has to stop moving in order to change the note. Actually, you can do a kind of vibrato on faster notes, but it can't be as wide, therefore the heavy vibrato notes can't be used on all notes. Just try it and you will find that it sounds like a bad LFO. The 40's recordings use a different sort of vibrato anyway, so there is not much point in comparing these with AV.



DG

Gee, it's a bit insulting for you, without knowing anything about me, to say I don't understand something. I've been doing LIVE strings for about 30 years, so I rather understand them, thanks[[;)]] Yes the hand has to stop to change notes, but in reality, many times the effect to the ear of that hand stopping for a millisecond between notes is irrelevant. And I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about the "different" kind of vibrato invented in the Forties. [[;)]]

Tom
I'm sorry if you think that I've insulted you; it was certainly not my intention. However, if you think that it takes a millisecond to change from a note with vibrato to another note with vibrato, then you are obviously a much better player than I am [:D]

If you want to hear vibrato from the forties, you only have to listen; it is all to do with amplitude and speed. I never said that it was invented in the forties; you made that up [8-)]

DG

DG, I have a question for you. Are you a violinist? I think it's interesting to have feedback from violin players.

@Guy said:

DG, I have a question for you. Are you a violinist? I think it's interesting to have feedback from violin players.

Yes, in my younger days I was Professor of Violin at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama as well as an examiner for their external Grade and Diploma exams.

DG

DG,

What did you think of my Concerto Cadenza (for violin and orchestra)? If you haven't heard it it's in the demo section. (symphonic cube)

@Guy said:

DG,

What did you think of my Concerto Cadenza (for violin and orchestra)? If you haven't heard it it's in the demo section. (symphonic cube)

PM sent.

DG

@Another User said:

I can finally play high notes without cringing[;)]

by the way, these patches playrange go up to A7:

11 VI-20_sus_Vib
21 VI-20_sfz
02 VI-20_perf-spiccato_fa
03 VI-20_perf-harsh_fa

02 VI-20_perf-rep_por (G#7)
03 VI-20_perf-rep_spi
04 VI-20_perf-rep_harsh

best
Herb

@Another User said:

I can finally play high notes without cringing[;)]

by the way, these patches playrange go up to A7:

11 VI-20_sus_Vib
21 VI-20_sfz
02 VI-20_perf-spiccato_fa
03 VI-20_perf-harsh_fa

02 VI-20_perf-rep_por (G#7)
03 VI-20_perf-rep_spi
04 VI-20_perf-rep_harsh

best
Herb

I've just been using the Perf Legatos and the Prog Vibratos, and the high notes seem so much better. I put the old Legato Vlns in and if you switch between them and the new ones, there is a great textural difference. I really love these new strings. I still wouldn't call them "Epic"...not in the sense that the Epic Horns are, but they are so much better than what we've had for first violins. Can't thank you enough and I hope the work continues...would be great to hear muted violins in this fashion, and yes, CELLOS!

Tom