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    Very interesting suggestion!
    You obviously have to sub-mix all your parts on G5 #2 as you only have stereo transfer to G5 #1 - is this correct?

    Regards - Colin
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    musos.....

    All celli and basses from the 2nd G5 pipe back to 1 AUX Stem on Main G5

    That isn't a big deal though.....even though I would prefer a stereo stem for for basses and another for celli.

    SvK
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    How's the latency with this setup?

    @svonkampen said:

    Rigging a 2nd MAC G5 without having to buy anything.....


    ...except for maybe that second G5! [:D]
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    No latency if you use a cross-over cable ...None....it's digital lite-pipe..

    perfect

    SvK
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    @svonkampen said:

    No latency if you use a cross-over cable ...None....it's digital lite-pipe..

    perfect

    SvK


    Dude-- do you have any idea how incredibly simple this is? There are so many people tossing wads of cash at hardware and software to get this done-- and in some cases to disappointing results. It really makes me wonder why this method isn't more popular or discovered sooner.

    Thanks, SvK. Your generosity of info is greatly appreciated!
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    JWL,

    my pleasure.

    SvK
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    O.K. A dumb question ("Oh no!", I can hear you all say... :lol[:)]

    I have a G4 PowerMac (1.25 Dual) at present. If I were to purchase (and that's a BIG if) another G5 would I be able to make use of this at all? And would it have to be a PowerMac or would an iMac or something similar be acceptable?
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    @jamriding said:

    O.K. A dumb question ("Oh no!", I can hear you all say... :lol[:)]

    I have a G4 PowerMac (1.25 Dual) at present. If I were to purchase (and that's a BIG if) another G5 would I be able to make use of this at all? And would it have to be a PowerMac or would an iMac or something similar be acceptable?


    I suspect that it probably has more to do with running the same OS on both units than anything else. Does your G4 have optical I/O's? That would be another consideration. SvK might have a clearer answer for you...

    I'm not sure the iMac would work, but again I'm not sure if any iMac has dual optical I/O's. My suspicion would be it would have to be at least a pair of G5 towers running Tiger- unless I'm mistaken.
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    You need optical outs, on the computers.

    BTW,

    If you are in the market for another computer, I would wait for the new Mac Intel Towers....(novemberish)

    Maya recently sent me the stress test results of a MacBookPro, and they are insane...imagine how crazy the new Mac Towers will be.....

    BTW here is the comparison...it is unbelievable. Note that the MacBookPro has a much higher polyphony count then the G5 QUAD!!!! wow.


    Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo (Mac Book Pro)
    Ram: 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM
    OS 10.4.6
    Data storage: Firewire 400
    Host application: Logic 7.2
    Plugin: 1.0.5beta (INTEL)
    Soundcard: built in Audio

    Latency at 512 Samples (12ms) / 1.3 GB Ram usage)
    Maximum Vienna Instrument instances: 32 (CPU load activity monitor 95%)
    Maximum Samples loaded: ca.13.000
    Maximum polyphony: 580 stereo voices

    Processor: G5 PPC 4 x 2,5 GHz (Quad)
    Ram: 4,5 GB
    OS 10.4.5
    Data storage: Firewire 400
    Host application: Logic 7.2
    Plugin: VI v.1.0.5.2
    Soundcard: Digidesign HW (002)

    Latency at 512 Samples (12 ms) RAM usage 2.54 GB
    Maximum Vienna Instrument instances: 34 (CPU 95%)
    Maximum Samples loaded: 24.530
    Maximum polyphony: 476 stereo voices / (CPU 35 % Harddisk limit exceeded)
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    @svonkampen said:

    You need optical outs, on the computers.

    BTW, ...



    Thanks for the answer: plenty of things to ponder...
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    svonkampen,

    Just a question as silly as it may sound but how long have you been working with this particular installation? I'm asking because sometimes things are too good to be true, and in the long run we end up with complicated situations and who knows if that could harm your computer. But maybe I'm completely out to left field, I just like to be cautious with these things.
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    Guy,

    3 12 hour days

    yould be investing in (2 optical cables, and a cross-over cable) 20 bucks maybe [;)]

    SvK

    ps: Also this sytem isn't some crazy-hack job......Aggregate Device and Network MIDI are embedded into Tiger OSX!

    There is no crazy shareware stuff needed..

    It just works.

    SvK
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    But my point was, is there ANY chances of this set up harming your computer? Just inquiring... [:)]
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    Guy,

    no...no chance of harming your computer ...

    SvK......
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    @svonkampen said:

    Guy,

    no...no chance of harming your computer ...

    SvK......


    I tried what you said:


    My computer blew up! [:(]
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    hahaha
    verry funny [;)]

    SvK
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    @Guy said:

    I tried what you said: My computer blew up! [:(]


    Well, you will have to write better music. They are very sensitive creatures.
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    yeah, I shouldn't of tried that serial composition... [8o|]
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    SvK,

    Very exciting what you have figured out here! Thanks for sharing the good news.

    If one were to use audio interfaces could they use more than two G5's? Of course this means you're buying extra hardware but then you would also have multiple audio channels...

    Clark
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    @clarkcontrol said:

    SvK,

    Very exciting what you have figured out here! Thanks for sharing the good news.

    If one were to use audio interfaces could they use more than two G5's? Of course this means you're buying extra hardware but then you would also have multiple audio channels...

    Clark



    Or......
    It could be worth experiementing with an optical daisy chain.

    Master out to slave 1 in.
    Slave 1 out to slave 2 in.
    Slave 2 out to slave 3 in.
    Slave 3 out to Master in.

    Given SVK has already indicated there's no latency to speak of, maybe this would work? It would be worth setting the master as clock, and have the slaves sync to that.

    Or, do the same thing, and with optical Gigabit ethernet cards (allegedly able to transfer 1000mbs) in each machine all connected to an GB ethernet switch.
    (I've seen three in sites whilst researching a network setup, and have been surprised just how little they cost. And of course, not confusing switches with hubs)


    It would be worth going to the Euphonix website, and checking out their network diagrams for some other possibilities.
    And the controllers are worth looking at too!
    (Two vids to see, with Steve Tucher using an MC controller at home, and John Ross sitting in a mixing barn with the full System MC 5 laid out in a row. Definitely worth a look.)

    Interesting developments here.

    Alex.