I agree 100% with you guys.
In another topic, I posted:

@Another User said:

again, we thought this being a treat rather than a bug:
1) When you close the GUI Window you actually hide it - clicking "Show GUI" makes it appear again
2) You can minimize standalone.
3) Staying on top: Consider if VI GUI won't be a floating window - it will disappear whenever you click another window - then you start searching for it.

1) Anything that needs more clicks is not a feature to me - it starts to become a nuisance.
2) I found that too. However, I think it is contrary to standard Mac OSX behaviour. One should be able to go to a different app and <Hide all others> but VI Standalone never hides, therefore - extra clicks or key commands (cmd-M)
3) I agree 100% that the GUI should float, but only locally for Logic or whatever host is being used. All of Logic's Native plugins float (unless you choose not to), but they disappear completely when you bring the Finder or another app to the front. I really don't want a window that always floats in front of everything else that is open. There is no way to minimise the float GUI, so one is forced into extra clicks.

I am already using VI in 2 jobs and it's amazing - but these issues really bug me and what is "simply a click or two" becomes hundreds of clicks. The same goes for the host not remembering the GUI's screen position. I imagine that VI is working slightly differently from "normal" plugins, but I'm making these suggestions in the interest of improving the workflow for all users.
Hopefully the update will address these problems. Non-standard behaviour tends to always cause problems, as seen in the posts above.

Regards - Colin

@paul lm said:

half the time the VI window is already on the top, so you need to click on a DP window straight away before you can do anything. I really hope they sort this soon [:)]

Same or me on Logic !
Could it be corrected ? that's 2 windows to open/close plus what Paul said

paul im. are you the bass player that lived in paris?

it's ron meza here.


i am using Logic to house the VI au and yes that display gui window is nonsense as well as the fact that each instance doesn't say what track it belongs to.

fortunately i use DP for work and logic as a slave ala giga studio so i only need to see those stupid floating nonsense windows from time to time.

ron

One odd thing that's happening is that I'm starting to click in and out of ALL of my sub windows even when I'm not using VI.

I thought that the actual GUI-thing is simply not yet done.

this little "display GUI" window is simply useless.
When i doubleclick the insert in logic i exactly do it for one reason:
to have the GUI displayed.


Greets:
HTF

That is for me the MAIN problem of the VI.
I'm enjoying the working and easy repetition tools and so many other things.

Just installed the first 5 VSL Instruments DVDs; registered; updated the Syncrosoft key; etc, etc. I'm using the very latest versions of Syncrosoft software + VSL software (latest as of April 12, 2006). The Syncrosoft software shows all my registered products and codes. But in Logic when I instantiate a VSL Instrument, and then click on the 'Display GUI' button, nothing appears (ie: no GUI window appears). I've tried this a few times, and always no GUI window. I've even waited one hour after clicking on 'Dispaly GUI', but still with no result. What is going wrong here? I'm running Mac OS X 10.4.5 on a PPC G5 Mac, running latest version of Logic and using VSL as AU plug-in.

BTW- I'd like to hear from the VSL team regarding updating/changing this 'Display GUI' nonsense. No other AU plug-in I own asks you to go through the extra step to display what should appear on its own without clicking on anything. Any updates in the near future to make this Display GUI button go away?

Thanks.

I am not having any display problems in Logic, but if you are, it's probably a Logic thing. I just switched over to Logic a week or so ago, and I find it to be one buggy piece of software. Instruments stop playing all by themselves, files that were saved no longer open. Amazingly nasty. I do enjoy the program and find it wonderfully powerful, but I can't imagine working on a deadline with it. Gotta go check out DP again I suppose...

Tom H

@tom@aerovons.com said:

I am not having any display problems in Logic, but if you are, it's probably a Logic thing. I just switched over to Logic a week or so ago, and I find it to be one buggy piece of software. Instruments stop playing all by themselves, files that were saved no longer open. Amazingly nasty. I do enjoy the program and find it wonderfully powerful, but I can't imagine working on a deadline with it. Gotta go check out DP again I suppose...

Tom H

There is something seriously wrong with your set up. Logic does not behave that way. It sounds as though you have something corrupt in you computer. Logic is the most stable sequencer I have.
You should trash your preferences and make sure you have the latest updates on all your 3rd party plug ins.
J

@tom@aerovons.com said:

I am not having any display problems in Logic, but if you are, it's probably a Logic thing. I just switched over to Logic a week or so ago, and I find it to be one buggy piece of software. Instruments stop playing all by themselves, files that were saved no longer open. Amazingly nasty. I do enjoy the program and find it wonderfully powerful, but I can't imagine working on a deadline with it. Gotta go check out DP again I suppose...

Tom H

There is something seriously wrong with your set up. Logic does not behave that way. It sounds as though you have something corrupt in you computer. Logic is the most stable sequencer I have.
You should trash your preferences and make sure you have the latest updates on all your 3rd party plug ins.
J

No, it isn't my setup, if you go to the Logic users group on Apple you will see other long time Logic users experiencing the same problems. Freeze tracks often stop playing back and have to be refrozen or Logic restarted, and when both my main and safety copy of TWO different songs would not open yesterday another Logic user told me out to get around it, and that it had happened to him as well.

So far using Logic has been like going on the Space Shuttle for me. Very powerful, very risky. [;)]

TH

Tom,
If you just switched to Logic, I assume you have v7.x on Mac. Did you also install all the required Pro-App updates? Many folks miss these and complain about instability.

Look here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301838">http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301838

Are you force-using any Audio Units that didn't pass validation? This can also be problematic.

Regards - Colin

@tom@aerovons.com said:

I am not having any display problems in Logic, but if you are, it's probably a Logic thing. I just switched over to Logic a week or so ago, and I find it to be one buggy piece of software. Instruments stop playing all by themselves, files that were saved no longer open. Amazingly nasty. I do enjoy the program and find it wonderfully powerful, but I can't imagine working on a deadline with it. Gotta go check out DP again I suppose...

Tom H

There is something seriously wrong with your set up. Logic does not behave that way. It sounds as though you have something corrupt in you computer. Logic is the most stable sequencer I have.
You should trash your preferences and make sure you have the latest updates on all your 3rd party plug ins.
J

No, it isn't my setup, if you go to the Logic users group on Apple you will see other long time Logic users experiencing the same problems. Freeze tracks often stop playing back and have to be refrozen or Logic restarted, and when both my main and safety copy of TWO different songs would not open yesterday another Logic user told me out to get around it, and that it had happened to him as well.

So far using Logic has been like going on the Space Shuttle for me. Very powerful, very risky. [;)]

TH


Aaah, Comrade Tom, a lesson in life. Perhaps it would have better to stick with the Sputnik!

I'm seriously considering changing from Logic as well. The freeze bug is just one of a few that spoil my compositional enjoyment on a fairly regular basis, and like you i've cruised the logic forums, searching for answers, only to find others have the same issues. I will miss the EXS MK11 though. A clever piece of Emagic development, and has proved useful.

Now, the new Nuendo looks interesting..........!

Regards,

Alex.

@musos said:

Tom,
If you just switched to Logic, I assume you have v7.x on Mac. Did you also install all the required Pro-App updates? Many folks miss these and complain about instability.

Look here:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301838">http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301838

Are you force-using any Audio Units that didn't pass validation? This can also be problematic.

Regards - Colin

No none of the above applies here. And all units pass validation. Again, there are some pretty experienced Logic users out there with the same problems, especially the "tracks suddenly won't play back" thing.

Do you know what the safest System version for Logic 7.2 is? I'm on 10.4.3 right now...

Thanks
Tom

I went to 7.2 and then went back to 7.1.1. It's much better. There are some problems in 7.2 that need worked out. 7.1.1 and OS 10.4.6 are great on my machine.
a Dual Core 2.3 GHz with 4.5 G Ram.
J

Tom@Aerovons.com wrote:

"I am not having any display problems in Logic, but if you are, it's probably a Logic thing. I just switched over to Logic a week or so ago, and I find it to be one buggy piece of software."

Hi Tom. No, it's not Logic's fault that the VSL V.I. won't display the GUI. I have been through my fair share of bugs with Logic over the years, but Logic has been running well since the last update, and ALL other AU plugs display and work well within Logic- just VSL V.I. won't display. VSL V.I. is also the only AU plug I know of that makes you click on a 'Display GUI' button.

Later today I will once again go through the motions: repair permissions, try any stand-alone V.I. version to see if it will display, etc.

Still hoping to hear from the VSL team on this problem.

@mdfmuse said:

Tom@Aerovons.com wrote:

"I am not having any display problems in Logic, but if you are, it's probably a Logic thing. I just switched over to Logic a week or so ago, and I find it to be one buggy piece of software."

Hi Tom. No, it's not Logic's fault that the VSL V.I. won't display the GUI. I have been through my fair share of bugs with Logic over the years, but Logic has been running well since the last update, and ALL other AU plugs display and work well within Logic- just VSL V.I. won't display. VSL V.I. is also the only AU plug I know of that makes you click on a 'Display GUI' button.

Later today I will once again go through the motions: repair permissions, try any stand-alone V.I. version to see if it will display, etc.

Still hoping to hear from the VSL team on this problem.

Regarding the "Display GUI" thing, yes, that's pretty silly. Of course you want to display it[;)]

TH

@Another User said:

again, we thought this being a treat rather than a bug:
1) When you close the GUI Window you actually hide it - clicking "Show GUI" makes it appear again
2) You can minimize standalone.
3) Staying on top: Consider if VI GUI won't be a floating window - it will disappear whenever you click another window - then you start searching for it.

I'm not sure who wrote this, but it's seems a little arrogant to say that the VSI window should float when none of the other virtual intruments by other manufacturers float. This means we continually have to keep moving VSI out of the way to get at other VIs, not to mention accessing the valuable screen real estate of our sequencer. Hey, we're all used to VIs not floating, why throw this monkey-wrench? In an ideal world, we would have an option to float or not float all our windows. But there are just SO MANY things about VSI which are truly annoying, while none of the other VIs I use interfere with my work flow as much as this one does.

@garylionelli said:

I'm not sure who wrote this, but it's seems a little arrogant to say that the VSI window should float when none of the other virtual intruments by other manufacturers float. This means we continually have to keep moving VSI out of the way to get at other VIs, not to mention accessing the valuable screen real estate of our sequencer. Hey, we're all used to VIs not floating, why throw this monkey-wrench? In an ideal world, we would have an option to float or not float all our windows. But there are just SO MANY things about VSI which are truly annoying, while none of the other VIs I use interfere with my work flow as much as this one does.

It was me who wrote this ...

1) Your statement is simply NOT true: every AU Instrument in Logic floats. And this is inherent to how Logic puts up the windows.
2) There is this extra button indeed. It seems to be redundant. It is. But we have devised some different architecture which has a bunch of benefits - tho not all are fully explored - and this extra button is the tradeoff at the moment.
I say at the moment. We investigate to get rid of this, however.

Nevertheless I can still consider this as a feature: Since AU always floats, you can arrange them on one side of the screen ( I will make this window much smaller, just to hold the Show Button) one below the other and thus you can quickly access the VI GUIs. Think of this as a handy chest of drawers.
The "normal" procedure would be - provided you work on sequence view (Arrange) - bringing up mixer window and clicking the corresponding button. Truly more impeding the flow.

Check it out.

christian teuscher
development

Christian,
In the DP world, nothing floats. To have VSI float, for me, is an inconvenience. I want VSI gone when I click elsewhere, and right now I have to close it and then deal with a slew of mini-windows to reopen. Of course everyone has different work prefs and I respect that, but VSI still floats even when you change to a background app like a web browser, and that is arrogant behavior by an application, in my book. Often times as a diversion, we all check our email, browse the net, etc., but there VSI remains, omnipresent, breaking the Mac's inter-application etiquette protocols.

I've been unusally vocal about VSI's behavior because I'd like to see these things change, and we have received little feedback from VSL regarding their intentions. The issue of floating windows, however annoying they may be to me and others, pales in comparison to the problems of license recognition and slow loading time due to Syncrosoft. If I'd spent maybe $1000, I wouldn't be so bothered, but I had to sit and think about whether upgrading to the full VSI library coming from owning the full Pro Edition was warranted enough, given the high price for the upgrade. I finally decided to buy the full version only to be slammed by having it be barely working, and then when it did work, having to deal with all the user interface quirks. I might have been better off not being an early adopter, because trying to get work done with VSI has been an ordeal for me so far.
Thanks,
Gary

Well...

Tinkering with Logic, VSL V.I. AU, and V.I. standalone revealed the problem. I'm running Logic 7.2.0. I had not attempted to run the standalone V.I. prior to working in Logic. My Logic setup covers the *entire* monitor screen with Logic's arrange page and other associated stuff- the counter, plugs, etc. This is key. I would click on 'Display GUI' and again nothing would appear. As I quit Logic, I noticed for a brief second a window in the Mac's Finder asking me to 'Select a custom Matrix folder', and then the window disappeared. I then ran the V.I. standalone, and this time (because the standalone does not use the entire monitor screen as does Logic) I was able to see and respond to the window, which popped-up in the background of the standalone V.I. I was able to see it this time and chose a folder, then the instrument interface appeared. Back to Logic- I guess because I had already chosen a folder in the standalone, the window did not pop up again in Logic, and instead the correct interface displayed. Note to Mac developer: the dialogue window is popping UNDER all of my Logic Windows, so I didn't know it was there. Is there a way to make this window pop above all other windows (including Logic's) so that it does not become obscured?

Looking forward to jumping into the VSL V.I. now [:D]