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  • INSTALLING AND USING VSTACK

    There seem to be a few questions about using VSTACK . I just set this on a test system I used in producing a library for E-MU and which I have Hans Adamson's Virtual Grand Piano Installed.

    1. Go to www.steinberg.net. You'll be redirected automatically to the German site for products. Select America, Europe or Germany.

    2) Go to Products and Select MUSIC PRODUCTION.

    3) If you already have VSTACK, go to SUPPORT, DOWNLOADS. As long as it's installed and registered, you'll get the 1.2 update for free.

    4) If you don't have VSTACK, click BUY NOW and this takes you to the International Download Center. The cost is $49US.

    NOTE THERE IS A MAC VERSION, but I haven't tried this yet.

    PC COMPUTER SETUP
    My test E-MU system has the E-MU 0404 card installed with one pair of audio outs and one set of MIDI cables.

    AUDIO/MIDI CONNECTIONS
    I'm sequencing on a Mac Dual G5 running Logic 7.1.1. My audio card is MOTU Traveler. I also have a hardware MIDI interface setup which is the MIDEX8 from Steinberg.

    Audio is routed directly from the TrueSpec system to the MOTU Traveler (1/4" balanced). MIDI from the TrueSpec system is connected directly to the MIDEX8. I have my master keyboard controller connected for now to the MOTU Traveler.

    AFTER YOU'VE INSTALLED VSTACK -
    1) Open VStack.

    2) Click on the Devices menu -> Device Setup...

    3)Go to Default MIDI ports and select your MIDI connection. Click APPLY. Now, using the 0404 card, you'll be able to open (depending on your system's memory) 16 instances of VSTi's (including VI) on that one MIDI Port. With this setup, especially when sequencing on the PC, you won't need to install MIDIoverLAN unless you want to.

    4) Go to VST Multitrack. This is VERY IMPORTANT. Look for ASIO Driver and click the DOWN ARROW. You should see several ASIO selections. In general, DO NOT select ASIO Multimedia Driver. On my system, the other choice is ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver OR E-MU ASIO. For my system, I selected E-MU ASIO.

    5) Click APPLY.

    6) If you're finished, click OK.

    OPENING A VSTi (including VI)
    At the main screen, you'll the VST mixer and below it a window labeled VST Insturments. Scroll down and you'll see 16 places to load a VSTi. EACH INSTANCE WILL BE ASSIGNED TO ITS OWN MIDI CHANNEL.

    On the 0404 (or any card with only one pair of outs), the mixing board displays BUS 1.

    1) Click ONCE on VST Instrument. A menu appears displaying whatever you've installed on the system.

    2) Pick the Instrument you want.

    3) Once the VSTi is selected, it loads and within the track you just setupm, a new window appears saying, "NOT CONNECTED." Click the DOWN ARROW and select the Port.

    4) Underneath the loaded VSTi is MIDI CHANNEL. Click once and assign it to the desired MIDI channel.

    5) Under the MIDI Port assignment, you'll see the letter E in a script font. Click once. This brings up the VSTi assigned to that channel . Now assign the MIDI channel. If you set two instruments to the same MIDI Channel in VSTACK, they'll sound in unison.

    6) Now set up the MIDI channels in your sequencer and you're ready to go.

    SETTING AUDIO LEVELS IN VSTACK
    Some VSTi's are pre-set to a fairly high volume level that can create distortion. You'll need to test for your system whether it's best to set the volume levels in the sequencing computer, on the VSTi, or within VSTACK.

    Once you've decided this, you can then setup groups within VSTACK (Vlns 1, Vlns 2, etc). This is especially valuable is you're layering/mixing other sounds within VSTACK.

    THESE ARE THE BASICS.
    Enjoy and I hope this helps.

  • Great outline Peter - nice of you to do this.

  • Hello

    I've just bought the VI and I'm trying to get it work...yes...

    I've bought V stack and it's all well configured. I also have a very good and optimised PC with a Rme 52/96 (last firmware and drivers).

    Here is my issue with V stack :

    I can't load more than 8 VI on my PC. It crashes right after the 9th is loaded. Anyone can load 16 VI?

    Beside I have pbs with the directory manager (I bought the cube extended library) :
    - I add all folders one by one
    - I quit
    - I relaunch
    - I scan
    - It says : new folders have been found and added

    I launch VI and it will say : can not find XXX.waves (sorting it by a big list). It's randomly. Sometimes it's for violins, sometimes it's for flutes...etc...

    I launch the directory manager and rescan it says : some folders have been removed!!!! What the ??!!!

    Do you guys know about this?

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    @Ramu said:

    Hello

    I've just bought the VI and I'm trying to get it work...yes...

    I've bought V stack and it's all well configured. I also have a very good and optimised PC with a Rme 52/96 (last firmware and drivers).

    Here is my issue with V stack :

    I can't load more than 8 VI on my PC. It crashes right after the 9th is loaded. Anyone can load 16 VI?

    Beside I have pbs with the directory manager (I bought the cube extended library) :
    - I add all folders one by one
    - I quit
    - I relaunch
    - I scan
    - It says : new folders have been found and added

    I launch VI and it will say : can not find XXX.waves (sorting it by a big list). It's randomly. Sometimes it's for violins, sometimes it's for flutes...etc...

    I launch the directory manager and rescan it says : some folders have been removed!!!! What the ??!!!

    Do you guys know about this?

    How much memory do you have?

    DG

  • DO you think that having a preset configuration from gigastudio could be the problem of my limitations for loading VI ?

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    @"DG said:


    How much memory do you have?

    DG


    I have 4 gigs...

    (about the directory manager...I've just found out that I don't have the whole library on my pc....I don't understand since I had the license...I'm resinstalling right now)

    Ramu

  • i have the samwe problems here.
    i have a regular intel p4 3200mhz a fresh installed xp without any "tweaks".
    th VI´s are crashing V-Stack if the ram is getting full but also Cubase.

    So, there must be a bug in the VI´s

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    @Gagga 3.0 said:

    i have the samwe problems here.
    i have a regular intel p4 3200mhz a fresh installed xp without any "tweaks".
    th VI´s are crashing V-Stack if the ram is getting full but also Cubase.

    So, there must be a bug in the VI´s

    They will crash if you load too much. How much are you trying to load into how much memory?

    DG

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    @Ramu said:

    DO you think that having a preset configuration from gigastudio could be the problem of my limitations for loading VI ?

    Yes, you should be using Windows default. Look at the thread that Mattias started.

    DG

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    @DG said:


    They will crash if you load too much. How much are you trying to load into how much memory?

    DG


    Its hapening about after the 4th Preset, i have 2GB and when i have about 1.2Gb loaded and try to load another big preset its simply crashing.

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    @DG said:


    They will crash if you load too much. How much are you trying to load into how much memory?

    DG


    Its hapening about after the 4th Preset, i have 2GB and when i have about 1.2Gb loaded and try to load another big preset its simply crashing.
    Of course it is. You won't get more than 1.75Gb without the 3Gig switch installed.

    DG

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    @DG said:


    They will crash if you load too much. How much are you trying to load into how much memory?

    DG


    Its hapening about after the 4th Preset, i have 2GB and when i have about 1.2Gb loaded and try to load another big preset its simply crashing.
    Of course it is. You won't get more than 1.75Gb without the 3Gig switch installed.

    DG

    Thats not the question, its crashing which it does not should, of couse!

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    @DG said:


    They will crash if you load too much. How much are you trying to load into how much memory?

    DG


    Its hapening about after the 4th Preset, i have 2GB and when i have about 1.2Gb loaded and try to load another big preset its simply crashing.
    Of course it is. You won't get more than 1.75Gb without the 3Gig switch installed.

    DG

    Thats not the question, its crashing which it does not should, of couse!
    Am I not being clear? IMO it's crashing because the preset is too large for the available memory.

    DG

  • i dont know if you are beeing clear

    [:)]

    but it should definetly not crash, for example like gigastudio is not crashing if it gets to the ram limit.

    I dont want to be aible to use more memory i just dont want it to crash. The numbers are out of my head it could be also 800mb before loading the last patch and than its crashing. this is not acceptable espacially because the song was not ussable after the emergency save.

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    @Gagga 3.0 said:

    i dont know if you are beeing clear

    [:)]

    but it should definetly not crash, for example like gigastudio is not crashing if it gets to the ram limit.

    I dont want to be aible to use more memory i just dont want it to crash. The numbers are out of my head it could be also 800mb before loading the last patch and than its crashing. this is not acceptable espacially because the song was not ussable after the emergency save.

    Ah now I understand, sorry for being so slow!!! You want the player to stop you loading something that is too big for your available memory. I agree that this should work like this, and I can't see a problem with VI working like this (should it be coded to do so), but if you are loading in V-Stack then I would imagine that this would need to be coded into this application, as AFAIK VI can't know how much memory your Host needs to run without crashing.

    DG

  • no! the VSTi´s know how much memory is available and V-Stack is not crashing in with other VSTi.

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    @Gagga 3.0 said:

    no! the VSTi´s know how much memory is available and V-Stack is not crashing in with other VSTi.

    OK, then I can't help except to say keep an eye on Task manager as you load. Sorry...... [:(]

    DG

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    @Gagga 3.0 said:

    no! the VSTi´s know how much memory is available and V-Stack is not crashing in with other VSTi.


    Are you making a straight comparison?
    Other VSTi's? Examples? Do they just keep loading in V stack without notification of impending memory shortage? Is the limitation of Giga set to stop you loading anymore than your system can handle? Does this work even when you use VStack into something else like Logic/Cubase? Does Logic send a message to VStack to say 'Stop. I can't take anymore!', with other VSTi's?

    If you can give more info, it would be helpful.... [:)]

    Regards,

    Alex.

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    @Gagga 3.0 said:

    no! the VSTi´s know how much memory is available and V-Stack is not crashing in with other VSTi.


    Are you making a straight comparison?
    Other VSTi's? Examples? Do they just keep loading in V stack without notification of impending memory shortage? Is the limitation of Giga set to stop you loading anymore than your system can handle? Does this work even when you use VStack into something else like Logic/Cubase? Does Logic send a message to VStack to say 'Stop. I can't take anymore!', with other VSTi's?

    If you can give more info, it would be helpful.... [:)]

    Regards,

    Alex.
    I think that with some VSTi they just don't load when there is not enough memory. Giga tells you to "stuff it"..... [:D]

    DG

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    @Gagga 3.0 said:

    no! the VSTi´s know how much memory is available and V-Stack is not crashing in with other VSTi.


    Are you making a straight comparison?
    Other VSTi's? Examples? Do they just keep loading in V stack without notification of impending memory shortage? Is the limitation of Giga set to stop you loading anymore than your system can handle? Does this work even when you use VStack into something else like Logic/Cubase? Does Logic send a message to VStack to say 'Stop. I can't take anymore!', with other VSTi's?

    If you can give more info, it would be helpful.... [:)]

    Regards,

    Alex.
    I think that with some VSTi they just don't load when there is not enough memory. Giga tells you to "stuff it"..... [:D]

    DG

    Hehe, so Giga has a look first and decides if it's worth trying or not. It sounds like being married!
    I wonder why VStack doesn't do the same with the VI? [*-)]


    Alex.