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  • Are we Protools users farked?

    I am ofcourse very interested in the possibility of a MAC RTAS version of Symphonic Cube plugin, as I realise that there will only be an AU version avail. U guys really like ur Logic software, eh? [[;)]]

    All well, but I still see this as a big underestimation of the needs of the professional composers and producers, which a big chunk of is using Pro Tools software - especially in the states. On the PC front, Pro Tools is an exploding userbase, and the RTAS standard would also benefit them.

    I suppose u haven't tried out the VST to RTAS wrapper in ProTools, which suddenly is far from the optimal way to go about getting the plug within the software.

    So what's the 411 on this one? [:)]

  • you could always use the stand alone version

  • I don't think that's going to work as well as everyone seems to be expecting it to. I think you'd be severely limited that way.

  • in what way?

  • I explained it elsewhere, but basically it boils down to this:

    It appears that each VI is only capable of playing one instrument. It is not multi-timbral (it appears) and can only receive one midi channel.

    And since ASIO apps grab the ASIO driver, you could only have one instance open standalone anyway, one instance = one instrument, hardly going to make much music that way.

    Even in a VST host like VStack, you could only route midi to 4 instance of the Vienna Instrument since Virtual Midi Cables cannot be split across VST instances, at least, its never worked in any testing I've ever done. It just isn't doable. Midi notes from other channels will be sent along the same midi cable and you can't really prevent it, as far as I can tell. That's in my testing, but maybe there's some sequencers that are capable of limiting midi out to only those channels you are using and not sending it out 'OMNI' (all channels.) But then you're reliant on the host being able to split the channels on the virtual midi cable, and I haven't seen one that does yet. Each virtual cable is treated like a seperate midi device/port and receives all incoming midi, in my experience anyway.

  • Exactly Joseph.

    Another reason the standalone is no good, is that u will not be able to get the output of the plugin into Pro Tools. It should support ReWire for that to be possible, which is crap too.

    The way I see it, the RTAS for MAC and PC would fill in big gap where AU and VST is not applicable. With these 3 standards utilized Viena would cover every single platform and software on the market, so its beyond me why this userbase is not being given any significance. If there were a RTAS version, I would shell out the dough in a whim, as this plugin is the ultimate out there.

  • I guess I don't understand completly but since many of also are wanting to use the stand alone on seperate pc's (as if it were a giga studio) would the virtual midi cabeling still be an issue? I have never used a plugin like this outside of the sequencer so I am a bit confused.

  • The viable solution may be an application like FXTeleport or MOL since you could have MANY virtual ports with which to use across many PC's if necessary. This will get you around any limitations involved in splitting ports across VI instances.

    You'll still need a VST host at the other end, like VStack, Forte, or Bidule though.

  • David ender mentioned running multiple instances of the stand alone in his setup - what is wrong with this, I wonder how he is able to do that.

  • I have no idea unless each standalone instance was using a different ASIO driver, which could also lead to latency discrepancies between instances depending on driver functionality.

    I've never been able to use more than one ASIO application on one driver. Each app has to have its own driver.

  • well from the sound of his post he seemed to be using that like giga studio on his pc(s) in anotherwords a lot more than just one or two probably 16-32 instances.

  • VST isn't the best solution. Never has been. And I agree that by not allowing for RTAS you will cut off a huge portion of the professionals out there, most of whom use a TDM/RTAS based setup. I'm not seeing a lot of foresight here.

  • As VSL has been very unclear on the possibility of using VI as a protools user, I just wanted to let u guys know that there will be no possible way to get it to work.[:(]

    http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?p=53769#53769">http://community.vsl.co.at/viewtopic.php?p=53769#53769

  • I'm sorry some things seem to be unclear, but as you all know software development is a very tricky work in progress. As I said in another thread, ProTools users won't be left in the dark, there will be a possiblity in 2006.
    Cheers, Martin

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    @Joseph Burrell said:

    The viable solution may be an application like FXTeleport or MOL since you could have MANY virtual ports with which to use across many PC's if necessary. This will get you around any limitations involved in splitting ports across VI instances.

    You'll still need a VST host at the other end, like VStack, Forte, or Bidule though.


    Joseph, I'm not sure that one does need a VST Host with FX-Teleport, after all there is no problem running multiple instances of other VSTs. I haven't tried it with VSTi so I can't be sure, but if you know something that I don't about this issue I'd be very grateful if you could share it, as I wouldn't want SC to turn up on my doorstep and be unusable on the day that it arrives [:(]

    DG