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  • main + close mike simulation - does this work ?

    HorNet505H
    HorNet505H

    hey all

    I wan't to check if this setup works, since I got no live experience in recording.

    I like to use the multiple rooms feature of MirPro3D to create a close miking simulation. The result should give me more mixing options like in real life.

    Now I use the Synchron Stage in my template and I use the main miking for the main mix, of course.

    I copied the instrument setting and moved it to the second room.

    I used a cardoid mic, and moved it from the default conductors position to the instrument and placed it above.

    Voila. I now have two channels in Cubase to mix them.

    I want to know from you guys if I miss something here or if this makes sense. I would continue to create a whole bunch of close miking across the whole orchestral setup
  • HorNet505H
    HorNet505H

    no one ?
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Why don't you just use the unprocessed input signal instead? It seems as you're overcomplicating things to some extent, close-miking something that has been close-miked already in Real Life. 😊

    Do you have an example that already sounds good to you to illustrate the effect you want to achieve?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • HorNet505H
    HorNet505H

    well in my mind the close mics do also pick up some room reflection, no?
    But yes, you probably are right about the dry signal. As for now I just use a second MIR plugin and place the "close" instrument close to the decca tree.


    I also use the ORIGINAL sound as another path.
    I hear some nice reverb on the CLOSE mike that gives me a kind of "real sound" in the room, which the DRY and ORIGINAL sound does lack.
  • HorNet505H
    HorNet505H

    so all in all everything looks a bit messy if not filtered in view:
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    @HorNet505 said:
    As for now I just use a second MIR plugin and place the "close" instrument close to the decca tree.

    That's an quite unusual approach that has little in common with the more typical quest for "realism", but if you want to employ it I strongly suggest to use the direct signal only from one Icon (most likely the closer one). Chances are that you would not only run into phasing issues as soon as you use any kind of EQs or filters, but you would make the perceived positioning of the instrument even more fuzzy (and complicated 😉 ....).

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • I
    I

    @HorNet505 synchron stage is very similar to normal opera house or concert stages . the only thing that is missing out there is the hall , where the audience stay . as far as i understand , mir pro helps rich that dimension to. dont mess with orchestral basic dynamics and positions , its a long process of centuries of development . all synchron stage or mir pro 3D concept is to stay faith full to that concept . use them in the wrong way and you going to mess up all your sound. I useed to record opera or symphonic orchestra a lot, the moment someone try to experiment with positions ( happens with experimental operas or contemporary music) than pandora box is open 😃