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  • Need help creating MetaGrid for VSL Synchron, please watch video

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    I cross-posted this in the MetaGrid Pro forum.

    I am attempting to create a MetaGrid Profile for VSL Synchron instruments. Due to the dynamic nature of the Synchron interface, only bloated over-complicated solutions are possible in MetaGrid. Here is a video explaining it:

    https://youtu.be/KjunXsX3BGU

    What I would like to know is if Metagrid can scan the state of multiple latched switches and encode all of these into one output. This would enable a MG Profile for Synchron with an order of magnitude less grids than are needed when approaching it the classic way.

    By the way, in the video every time I say "six grids" I actually mean seven grids. math not my strongest skill. 🙃

    Additionally, how are you selecting articulations in Logic Pro and Pro Tools? Is there a product out there that already does this? I am aware of Art Conductor, but I don't think that the Synchron support will work for me, since I need some customization. Perhaps Touch/OSC?
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    By the way, the reason I explained the Synchron interface like talking to a 3 year old is because the video is really meant for the MetaGrid forum, where users are not likely familiar with VLS Synchron. I don't want to annoy the power-users here!
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    As you may have inferred by the avalanche of responses, not a lot of users frequent these parts.

    Just to make sure, are you aware of XDAW? (search "audiogrocery" "Synchron" and "XDAW")

    I don't know Touch/OSC, but XDAW has a feature that allows the use of an iPad.

    I don't know MetaGrid either. I am, however, a veteran of articulation set design even to the point of distraction (though I'm getting better with age).

    Your question puts you in the nexus of three separate programs: Logic, Vienna Ensemble Pro, and MetaGrid. These three elements can talk to one another, but as you are likely discovering, there is a limit to their inter-activity.

    We know that Logic can only save three data points per articulation. No doubt MetaGrid can drive more, but what MetaGrid selects (I'm guessing here) will be irrelevant to Logic, and therefore you won't be able to imbed articulation data into the note -- hence no correct playback.

    XDAW allows for the saving of up to five data points per articulation (it generates a script to do this, and it requires other saves and assignments, but it can be done). Alas, XDAW doesn't talk to MetaGrid.

    And it's possible that a prolific library like the newly-released Solo Violin and Cello expands to even more than five key switches (though I haven't downloaded it yet).

    Fell free to educate me or ask questions. Presently, this may be a bridge too far. But like you, I do seek to have as many possible sounds under my fingers at the ready. And I do use Logic exclusively (for better or worse -- I suspect Cubase is better with articulations).
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    I think this is your best bet



    note that you don’t need art conductor if you build your own synchron presets, but if you use the default presets it is a huge time saver, provided you like their mapping
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    The OP says he is familiar with Art Conductor. His main goal is to have a live Metagrid that opens the same dimension possibilities based on Synchron’s left-to-right optionality, and a secondary goal seems to be access on an iPad. To rephrase that, he wants the iPad to present selections on the next dimension to the right based on what is immediately chosen on the left.

    Essentially, he seeks a Synchron grid to appear on an iPad live, and that would give him touch-selection of articulations that would be embedded into the notes he records in Logic.

    I don’t think AC can accommodate that. @ravez may be correct that AC is as close as@oldskool can get. XDAW has the benefit of more keyswitches per articulation — but it’s still well short of the primary goal as well.

    You want the real answer? VSL needs to create an iPad program that A. Is a live render of the chosen instance and channel that we see in our computer monitors and B. Allows the selection of a patch dimension to be transmitted to the DAW for live performance and recording.

    But that’s a big ask, as I’m guessing DAWs have their own way of handling articulations, and each platform would need its own software.

    If@oldskool does develop such an item, I hope he keeps us informed. But again, there’s a limit to how many accessible arts really help workflow in real-world situations. In the last few years, my templates have become simpler with fewer items (even as VSL products are becoming more detailed).