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  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Mavros!

    Thanks for your feedback.

    1. The Dorico expression maps for Synchron Strings Pro have CC1 assigned as secondary dynamic. So it's correct that the VelXF sus presets get loaded.
    2. It's true that in some expression maps secondary dynamic is CC1 and in some it's CC2. However, the auto-assigned presets always should be in line with that setting. No manual setting should be necessary. If you think that you have found an instrument where this is wrong, please let me know the library and the instrument.
    3. You are right that our Master Volume levels are balanced and that the Dorico mixer removes that balance by sending CC7=100 to all instruments. Anyway, I would always newly balance the levels of all channels for every project. Our levels can only be a starting point and are not carved in stone.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M

    Hi Andi

    Please find attached a screen shot of the Violins 1 Expression Map after a fresh load of generated playback template. As you can see it shows CC2 as secondary control and not CC1 as it should be. For Percussion it is correct it shows CC1 and also loads VelXF rolls Mod (as used in the EM)

    Also attached one loaded instrument after the fresh load of the template. As you see CC2 is not activated. This is the case for all instruments woodwinds (CC2), brass (CC2( and percussion (CC1).

    Just my opinion but if you have more than 30 instruments the pre-balancing of all instruments is a main time saver. If you have to adapt 30+ instruments each time you start a project the whole point of a template would be lost. Worse in Dorico it sets back CC7 each time you start playback. This is why I assigned CC3 to CC7 in all my templates. The only other option is to write automation for CC7 from the first note in your template which is rather uncommon. I normally only use CC7 to balance between instruments like you do in the SY player but also between different library providers.

  • mducharmeM
    mducharmeM
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    @Mavros said:
    Please find attached a screen shot of the Violins 1 Expression Map after a fresh load of generated playback template. As you can see it shows CC2 as secondary control and not CC1 as it should be. For Percussion it is correct it shows CC1 and also loads VelXF rolls Mod (as used in the EM)

    Here's a screenshot of the Synchron Strings Pro Violins 1 expression map on my system:

    As you can see, for me it has CC1 and not CC2 like yours. This seems strange that yours does not match. This is in a new score that I've just made.

    Maybe you made some edits to the copy of the expression map in this Dorico file? What happens if you press the "Reset to Library Defaults" button at the bottom to reset the copy of the expression map in the Dorico file to match the system default?
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Mavros!

    As mducharme has already pointed out, the expression map in your screenshot must have been modified. The Synchron Strings Pro expression maps that come with our Dorico Wizard have CC1 assigned as secondary dynamic. Please note that expression maps gets saved with your project. So if you load a project, the expression maps inside will stay as they have been before a fresh installation.

    I'm not sure which instrument you are showing in your second screenshot, but it's true that Synchron Woodwinds, SYNCHRON-ized Woodwinds and Synchron Brass work with CC2 as secondary dynamic and Synchron Percussion works with CC1 as secondary dynamic. That's no mistake. The auto-assigned presets are in line with this setting of the expression maps.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M

    Thanks that solved the issue and corrected a misconception I had relating the EM management by playback templates in Dorico.

    I indeed did not start with a new project. I took an existing full functioning project using the SY libraries in VEPro with my own EMs, switched to the Silence template and then to your wizard generated template but that apparently does not replace already existing EMs. If I start with a new project with the Silence template and then switch to the new wizard generated on it work correctly.

    Also a misconception regarding the second screenshot. I always put the Vel.-XF button on On for instruments with CC2 as secondary control but that is not necessary to generate the CC2 lane in Dorico.

    Many thanks. One keeps learning.
  • BillB
    BillB

    Does the playback template for the new solo strings include added playing/playback techniques for the extended articulations in the library?

    Dorico, Notion, Sibelius, StudioOne, Cubase, Staffpad VE Pro, Synchon, VI, Kontakt Win11 x64, 64GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, August Forster 190
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Bill!

    Only the Dorico default playing techniques and playback techniques plus some custom crescendos are used in the expression maps for Synchron Solo Strings.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • BillB
    BillB

    Thanks Andi. I don't suppose there's a handy list of which P/P map to which articulations?

    Cheers,

    Bill

    Dorico, Notion, Sibelius, StudioOne, Cubase, Staffpad VE Pro, Synchon, VI, Kontakt Win11 x64, 64GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, August Forster 190
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi Bill!

    There is no list that is more handy than the expression maps themselves. You can always check them in Dorico under Library/Expression Maps, but I guess you already knew that. 😊 I don't have any other list.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • R
    R

    Hi Andi,

    I am missing the expression map for DA Virtuoso in the Wizard. I believe I have ticked the selection correctly. Maybe they slipped through?

    Thanks
    RaPaSa
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello RaPaSa!

    There is no dedicated Dorico Endpoint Configuration for Synchron Duality Strings Virtuoso. That's why it doesn't show up in the Dorico Wizard. A few of the Virtuoso articulations have been added to the Expression Maps, but most of them could only be added with custom playing techniques and custom playback techniques.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • mducharmeM
    mducharmeM

    Now that the new lyrical legatos are out for the woodwinds, are there new maps for those?

    If so I have to repeat the "Save Template" process to get these new maps into Dorico, or do they get updated simply by launching the Vienna Assistant?

    Is there some way of seeing if anything is new or changed without having to go through this process? Although I didn't like the old installer that much, it was date stamped so at least I could tell if there were changes (even though I didn't know what they were). Now I don't know how to tell if anything has been changed that I have to address.
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA
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    Hello mducharme!

    The new lyrical legatos will be integrated in the Dorico expression maps soon. To update your settings, you can always re-save your playback template. Currently there is no changelog for that. We will find a solution.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M

    I have created a playback template with only SY World Woodwinds chosen in the wizard. When I use it in Dorico keeps loading the SY Prime World Woodwinds instead of the full version and there also some instruments like the Koncovka flute missing. Does anyone know why? The endpoint configuration shown is also the one related to Prime. Is there no full version EM set for the SY library?
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi Mavros!

    There are no preconfigured Dorico settings for Synchron World Winds so far.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • M
    M

    Thanks Andi, better remove it from the wizard in this case
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Mavros!

    Synchron World Winds is not included in Dorico Wizard and has never been. Maybe you have mixed it up with the "Synchron Prime World Winds" entry for the Synchron Prime Edition.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • ennbrE
    ennbrE

    Why is Prime no longer an option in the Dorico Wizard

  • ennbrE
    ennbrE

    What happened to the Prime Edition option in Dorico Wizard

    all of my other libs are showing up minus the BBO entries
  • mducharmeM
    mducharmeM
    @ennbr said:

    What happened to the Prime Edition option in Dorico Wizard


    all of my other libs are showing up minus the BBO entries

    For now, uncheck "installed products only" in the Dorico Wizard and it seems to show up. Probably it is just not detecting the new v2 of Prime as the same library.