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  • Sibelius Only Recognizing sus and sta Articulations in VSL SE Presets

    W
    W

    I'm using Sibelius 7 on Windows, and VSL Special Edition Vol.1 and Special Edition Plus.

    I downloaded and installed the VSL Soundset file for Sibelius, and followed your Sibelius integration demo closely.

    In Viennal Ensemble 7 in the righthand Patches pane, under Special Edition 6.0, I've got the SE+ Vol.1 selected.

    I have Vienna Ensemble Pro setup in the Devices and Manual Sound Sets in Sibelius, 4 instances (for Winds, Brass, Perc., Strings).

    PROBLEM: I'm using the PRESET for the patches, and they all load up. (3 rows of 12 patches for Violin 1). But when I apply articulation markings in Sibelius (like for Violin 1, but other instruments do same), it only triggers VSL sus or sta articulations. Sibelius instead, like with Tremolo, tries to simulate it under the sus patch instead of triggering the VSL tremolo patch.

    So what does this mean?

    Does it mean I have go into the VSL Sound Set file and edit it, and add... the triggers to those other VSL Preset articulations?

    And by the way, your link to a Sibelius Sound Set editor is broken. I guess it's such an old link the download for it is gone. Nor can I find a download for the Editor on Sibelius or Avid website.
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello waveheavy!

    It can have different reasons why articulation changes don't work as expected. Did you go through the Troubleshooting section of the "Sibelius Integration" tutorial yet? All possible reasons that come to my mind are listed there.
    https://www.vsl.info/tutorials/guides/sibelius-integration/troubleshooting

    If you can't find a solution there, please send the following screenshots to support@vsl.co.at.
    - Sibelius "Add or Remove Instruments" menu
    - Sibelius mixer
    - Sibelius Playback Devices menu
    - Sibelius Manual Sound Sets page of all loaded devices
    - Vienna Ensemble Pro showing one of the instruments that doesn't work correctly

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W
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    Hi Andi,

    I made a video capture from opening Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 and Sibelius to setting up the Violin 1 and playing it with techniques, while switching over to view the VE while playing. You cannot hear the audio playback in the video (something to do with my audio system and my video capture software), but you see the patch changes in VE as it's playing in Sibelius.

    Notice that the Tremolo patch is working, but not switching to Arco. At the very last play example it goes to Pizz., and the next bar technique is set to Arco, but it goes right back to Tremolo instead of Arco.

    I'm pretty sure I have everything in the Sibelius setup and VE assigned properly. I also verified my Vienna Ensemble Pro .dlls are in both my vst64 and vst32 folders (otherwise they wouldn't show up in the Devices window).

    Here's the link for an .mp4 at DropBox: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1r2co743cu3u5klw9jy4k/Violin-1-and-Sibelius-Test.mp4?rlkey=xtlfa89hoj7sz5wg7de8wmqu7&dl=0
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi waveheavy!

    "arco" means "played with bow". So it's expected that this command doesn't reset a "tremolo" command, because tremolo also gets played with a bow. To reset a tremolo command, I recommend using "ord." or "natural".

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

    Yeah, I discovered that just today, using the nat. technique. Thanks.

    What about the Sound Sets Editor? The link to it on an old VSL page here is dead.

    Dave

    Hi waveheavy!

    @andi said:

    "arco" means "played with bow". So it's expected that this command doesn't reset a "tremolo" command, because tremolo also gets played with a bow. To reset a tremolo command, I recommend using "ord." or "natural".

    Best regards,
    Andi
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi Dave!

    Here is a link to the Sibelius Sound Set Editor. Please note that this software is not from us and cannot be supported by us.
    https://www.sibelius.com/download/sse/main.html

    Where exactly did you find an outdated link on our website?

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

    I'm probably mistaken about the location of the dead link to the editor, it could have been a YouTube provided link to the Sibelius editor. The link was dead, that's for sure. I've yet to find the editor on the Avid website under Sibelius.

    Reason I'm still interested is because of switching problems when I use the SE + Vol.1 PRESET. Now that you've explained about the ord. or nat. usage, I can use the SE Vol.1 presets just fine, but not the Plus, which I also have Vol.1.

    When using the Sibelius Keypad "Accent" articulation on SE + Vol.1, Violin 1 Preset, it triggers the VSL 'harm-art staccato'. That's a harmonic patch. I instead expected it would trigger something like the detache patch, definitely not harmonics. There's several patches in the SE + Vol.1 that don't get triggered by Sibelius, like col legno, tril1 and tril2, perf-rep legato, etc.

    Sincerely yours,

    Dave

    @andi said:

    Where exactly did you find an outdated link on our website?

    Best,
    Andi
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi Dave!

    For the Special Edition PLUS volumes, I recommend using the sound set "VE Special Editin PLUS" and the dedicated VI presets that come with the VSL Soundset Installer for Sibelius. This installer can be found in the Vienna Assistant under Additionals/Notation. If you are still working with our eLicenser software versions, you can download the installer here:
    https://www.vsl.co.at/Notation_Related

    How to trigger the various articulations is explained here:
    https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/guides/sibelius-integration/special-editions

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

    I had already downloaded and installed the VSL Soundset Installer for Sibelius (SibeliusSoundsets-WIN-1.0.222.exe). It's the same one in the link you just provided. There is no such folder as "VE Special Edition PLUS" showing in my VE presets pane under Sibelius. (see dropbox linked images below).

    I only have access to the following Presets under the Sibelius "Special Edition 6.0" folder:
    1. SE Vol.1 (standard Special Edition presets, which I have)
    2. SE + Vol.1 (SE Vol.1 PLUS presets)

    The "SE + Vol.1" folder is what gives me access to the SE Vol.1 PLUS presets, and those are the Violin 1 patches I was talking about in my previoius email.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jd9gerytohc846v8sq4i1/Daves_VE-Screen_Sibelius-Presets.PNG?rlkey=iol6mnsuz27tq6wi8ao8wdtfn&dl=0

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jev6vfhgeoqxcgm5cdsdw/Daves_No.-2-image_VE-Screen_Sibelius-Presets.PNG?rlkey=b54ctn57sd4ib0nbqf2nhtic2&dl=0

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/36jupqggs5j34qk2j3f0g/Daves_No.-3-image_VE-Screen_Sibelius-Presets.PNG?rlkey=6mocyvn3aoig5g91wsn48qq05&dl=0

    @andi said:

    Hi Dave!


    For the Special Edition PLUS volumes, I recommend using the sound set "VE Special Editin PLUS" and the dedicated VI presets that come with the VSL Soundset Installer for Sibelius. This installer can be found in the Vienna Assistant under Additionals/Notation. If you are still working with our eLicenser software versions, you can download the installer here:
    https://www.vsl.co.at/Notation_Related


    How to trigger the various articulations is explained here:
    https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/guides/sibelius-integration/special-editions


    Best regards,
    Andi
  • W
    W

    Andi,

    I don't have any of the SYNCHRON libraries.

    I only have the original Special Edition Vol.1 library, and the 1st PLUS library.

    There is no SYNCHRON stuff showing in my VE screen images if you will notice in those image links I sent.

    The "How to Trigger Articulations" article you sent me a link to is pointing to SYNCHRON folders with "SE SY Special Edition". If you will look at the screen images I sent, you'll notice under the Sibelius heading I only have access to the "Special Edition 6.0" folder.

    Dave

    @waveheavy said:

    I had already downloaded and installed the VSL Soundset Installer for Sibelius (SibeliusSoundsets-WIN-1.0.222.exe). It's the same one in the link you just provided. There is no such folder as "VE Special Edition PLUS" showing in my VE presets pane under Sibelius. (see dropbox linked images below).


    I only have access to the following Presets under the Sibelius "Special Edition 6.0" folder:
    1. SE Vol.1 (standard Special Edition presets, which I have)
    2. SE + Vol.1 (SE Vol.1 PLUS presets)


    The "SE + Vol.1" folder is what gives me access to the SE Vol.1 PLUS presets, and those are the Violin 1 patches I was talking about in my previoius email.


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jd9gerytohc846v8sq4i1/Daves_VE-Screen_Sibelius-Presets.PNG?rlkey=iol6mnsuz27tq6wi8ao8wdtfn&dl=0


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jev6vfhgeoqxcgm5cdsdw/Daves_No.-2-image_VE-Screen_Sibelius-Presets.PNG?rlkey=b54ctn57sd4ib0nbqf2nhtic2&dl=0


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/36jupqggs5j34qk2j3f0g/Daves_No.-3-image_VE-Screen_Sibelius-Presets.PNG?rlkey=6mocyvn3aoig5g91wsn48qq05&dl=0



    @andi said:

    Hi Dave!




    For the Special Edition PLUS volumes, I recommend using the sound set "VE Special Editin PLUS" and the dedicated VI presets that come with the VSL Soundset Installer for Sibelius. This installer can be found in the Vienna Assistant under Additionals/Notation. If you are still working with our eLicenser software versions, you can download the installer here:
    https://www.vsl.co.at/Notation_Related




    How to trigger the various articulations is explained here:
    https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/guides/sibelius-integration/special-editions




    Best regards,
    Andi
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi Dave!

    The VI prests from the folder "SE + Vol.1" are correct.
    The link to the manual that I have sent on how to trigger articulations is for VI Special Editions AND for SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions. So it's the correct place for you too.

    It seems that you didn't load the correct sound set in Sibelius yet. This sound set should get installed by running the VSL Soundset Installer. Does the installer run succesfully? Can you post a screenshot that shows the sound sets that you have available in Sibelius?

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
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    The VSL Soundset Installer is the file "SibeliusSoundsets-WIN-1.0.222.exe", correct? That's the file that downloaded from the VSL link.

    When I execute that file, it automatically installs the Soundsets. It is not giving me any indication of VSL availability on my computer. Remember, I'm using Windows 7.

    Below is a screen pic of the only folder where I can find VSL Soundsets pointing to my Special Edition Vol.1, and SE Plus .xml files.

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/99oys8wy68itwvmxrdxko/VSL-Sounds_Windows-7-folder.PNG?rlkey=7fzidc7ig5ls0yw6y63lkad4g&dl=0

    @andi said:

    Hi Dave!


    The VI prests from the folder "SE + Vol.1" are correct.
    The link to the manual that I have sent on how to trigger articulations is for VI Special Editions AND for SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions. So it's the correct place for you too.


    It seems that you didn't load the correct sound set in Sibelius yet. This sound set should get installed by running the VSL Soundset Installer. Does the installer run succesfully? Can you post a screenshot that shows the sound sets that you have available in Sibelius?


    Best regards,
    Andi
  • W
    W

    Andi,

    Here's the latest I discovered. (And thanks for having patience with me on this). Everything underlined below is a setting name, either in VE or in Sibelius.

    The SE Vol. 1 PLUS articulations are under the "Vienna Ensemble Special Edition Plus" list in the "Sound set:" box under the "Device:" box.

    Somehow I missed it when selecting it in the "Playback Devices" dialog. Still, not everything in the PLUS arts gets triggered, like Detache. Here is a video of Sibelius triggering the PLUS "Violins Orchestral" articulations:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/9j9tit5j2mzk2aka7hpqi/PLUS-Violin-1-Video.mp4?rlkey=rol2e7c2759fog2z14siq2ql4&dl=0

    The setup steps I did in Sibelius:

    1. Opened VE Pro and setup an instance, instrument, and arts. under the VE "Sibelius" folder, then "Special Edition 6.0", then "SE + Vol.1", then "Orchestral strings".
    2. Opened Sibelius, add instrument, create score.
    3. Opened Sibelius "Playback Devices" in the Ribbon, selected "Vienna Ensemble Pro" in the "Available devices:" list. Activated the device.
    4. Went to "Manual sound sets" tab; read "Vienna Ensemble Pro" in the "Device:" box. Hit "Show" and 'connect' the VE instance created earlier in Vienna Ensemble Pro.
    5. In the "Sound sets:" box underneath "Vienna Ensemble Pro", selected "VSL Ensemble Special Edition Plus". Then for MIDI channel 1, I chose the "Violins Orchestral" setting, applied it and tested it. The video above is the result.


    I think I'm done with this. Thanks for your help. I think that's as many PLUS articulations I'll need in Sibelius.

    Sincerely yours,
    Dave

    @andi said:

    Hi Dave!


    The VI prests from the folder "SE + Vol.1" are correct.
    The link to the manual that I have sent on how to trigger articulations is for VI Special Editions AND for SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions. So it's the correct place for you too.


    It seems that you didn't load the correct sound set in Sibelius yet. This sound set should get installed by running the VSL Soundset Installer. Does the installer run succesfully? Can you post a screenshot that shows the sound sets that you have available in Sibelius?


    Best regards,
    Andi
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hi Dave!

    Windows 7 cannot be supported from us anymore. Maybe the Soundset Installer doesn't run correctly under Windows 7. Anyway, you can use the pre-installed sound set "VSL Ensemble Special Editin PLUS" instead of the "VE Special Edition PLUS" sound set. It's just an old version of the same sound set.

    As far as I can see in your video, everything works as expected. To trigger detache, I would use the Technique Text command "detache".

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

    Thanks Andi.

    Dave

    @andi said:

    Hi Dave!


    Windows 7 cannot be supported from us anymore. Maybe the Soundset Installer doesn't run correctly under Windows 7. Anyway, you can use the pre-installed sound set "VSL Ensemble Special Editin PLUS" instead of the "VE Special Edition PLUS" sound set. It's just an old version of the same sound set.


    As far as I can see in your video, everything works as expected. To trigger detache, I would use the Technique Text command "detache".


    Best regards,
    Andi