Pre-Apple Silicon support for Vienna Power House?

[ultrazone]

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

[Andreas8420]

Hi ultrazone,

Thank you for your email! This question should best be directed to the team of Audio GPU - the developer behind the technology that powers our Vienna Power House. Currently, the GPU Audio technology is only available for Mac systems running on Apple Silicon.

www.gpu.audio

Best,
Andreas

[Sasha T]

@ultrazone said:

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

Hi ultrazone,

We have plans to bring at least the Radeon 5000 series Mac products through Metal, in fact, we support it internally, it just needs a few functionalities to complete for release... Work in progress!

When it comes to older systems with the 500 Series, it's tough to commit that we'll ever support it since Metal doesn't provide the specific functionality we need for our technology for this old GPU architecture.

May I suggest you upgrade to M1 systems or better since many discounts are available all year? I saw $650 deals at Amazon this year with a passive cooling setup (no fans)!

[ultrazone]

Hi Sasha-T!

Maybe I got it wrong, but Radeon 5000 series date back to 2010-2011, whereas 500 series were introduced in 2017. So why supporting a 2010's era graphic card and not a more recent and powerful graphic card such as 500 series? By the way, 500 series are present in many supported Intel Macs.

Of course I would like to update to an M1/M2/M3 Mac, but I own an older Intel model which still works and still will work for some years to come. So long story short, I won't update soon.

What's more, your user base could grow exponentially by adding support to Intel Macs dating 2017 onwards. There are several very powerful machines there which could benefit from this.

My two cents! Thanks again!

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

Hi ultrazone,

We have plans to bring at least the Radeon 5000 series Mac products through Metal, in fact, we support it internally, it just needs a few functionalities to complete for release... Work in progress!

When it comes to older systems with the 500 Series, it's tough to commit that we'll ever support it since Metal doesn't provide the specific functionality we need for our technology for this old GPU architecture.

May I suggest you upgrade to M1 systems or better since many discounts are available all year? I saw $650 deals at Amazon this year with a passive cooling setup (no fans)!

[Sasha T]

@ultrazone said:

Hi Sasha-T!

Maybe I got it wrong, but Radeon 5000 series date back to 2010-2011, whereas 500 series were introduced in 2017. So why supporting a 2010's era graphic card and not a more recent and powerful graphic card such as 500 series? By the way, 500 series are present in many supported Intel Macs.

Of course I would like to update to an M1/M2/M3 Mac, but I own an older Intel model which still works and still will work for some years to come. So long story short, I won't update soon.

What's more, your user base could grow exponentially by adding support to Intel Macs dating 2017 onwards. There are several very powerful machines there which could benefit from this.

My two cents! Thanks again!

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

Hi ultrazone,

We have plans to bring at least the Radeon 5000 series Mac products through Metal, in fact, we support it internally, it just needs a few functionalities to complete for release... Work in progress!

When it comes to older systems with the 500 Series, it's tough to commit that we'll ever support it since Metal doesn't provide the specific functionality we need for our technology for this old GPU architecture.

May I suggest you upgrade to M1 systems or better since many discounts are available all year? I saw $650 deals at Amazon this year with a passive cooling setup (no fans)!

Hi @ultrazone, I was talking about RX 5000 Series, it's a pre-predecessor of the current gen of the AMD GPU chip. Here is the timeline of the AMD GPU generations.

The difference between the 400/500/600 series and 5000/6000/7000 is that the first is GCN architecture, and the second is RDNA. Our technology works only with RDNA chipsets because of the way AMD's internal toolchain (LLVM, etc) is implemented for Metal, Linux, and Windows. There is nothing much we can do with this.

We have plans to support old Intel Macs, but only those who have RDNA-based chips included (2019-2020 non-M-Silicon Mac systems).

We appreciate your feedback and we'd love to support more devices, but things are complicated, and we depend on the GPU vendor's low-level software and toolchains.

[ultrazone]

Hi again!

Makes perfect sense now, forgot the more recent 5000 series and thought you were talking about the ancient 5000. So it looks like upgrading graphics to 6000 series is the way to go...

Any approximate date on when will 6000 series be supported?

Thanks @Sasha T !

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi Sasha-T!

Maybe I got it wrong, but Radeon 5000 series date back to 2010-2011, whereas 500 series were introduced in 2017. So why supporting a 2010's era graphic card and not a more recent and powerful graphic card such as 500 series? By the way, 500 series are present in many supported Intel Macs.

Of course I would like to update to an M1/M2/M3 Mac, but I own an older Intel model which still works and still will work for some years to come. So long story short, I won't update soon.

What's more, your user base could grow exponentially by adding support to Intel Macs dating 2017 onwards. There are several very powerful machines there which could benefit from this.

My two cents! Thanks again!

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

Hi ultrazone,

We have plans to bring at least the Radeon 5000 series Mac products through Metal, in fact, we support it internally, it just needs a few functionalities to complete for release... Work in progress!

When it comes to older systems with the 500 Series, it's tough to commit that we'll ever support it since Metal doesn't provide the specific functionality we need for our technology for this old GPU architecture.

May I suggest you upgrade to M1 systems or better since many discounts are available all year? I saw $650 deals at Amazon this year with a passive cooling setup (no fans)!

Hi @ultrazone, I was talking about RX 5000 Series, it's a pre-predecessor of the current gen of the AMD GPU chip. Here is the timeline of the AMD GPU generations.

The difference between the 400/500/600 series and 5000/6000/7000 is that the first is GCN architecture, and the second is RDNA. Our technology works only with RDNA chipsets because of the way AMD's internal toolchain (LLVM, etc) is implemented for Metal, Linux, and Windows. There is nothing much we can do with this.

We have plans to support old Intel Macs, but only those who have RDNA-based chips included (2019-2020 non-M-Silicon Mac systems).

We appreciate your feedback and we'd love to support more devices, but things are complicated, and we depend on the GPU vendor's low-level software and toolchains.

[Sasha T]

@ultrazone said:

Hi again!

Makes perfect sense now, forgot the more recent 5000 series and thought you were talking about the ancient 5000. So it looks like upgrading graphics to 6000 series is the way to go...

Any approximate date on when will 6000 series be supported?

Thanks @Sasha T !

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi Sasha-T!

Maybe I got it wrong, but Radeon 5000 series date back to 2010-2011, whereas 500 series were introduced in 2017. So why supporting a 2010's era graphic card and not a more recent and powerful graphic card such as 500 series? By the way, 500 series are present in many supported Intel Macs.

Of course I would like to update to an M1/M2/M3 Mac, but I own an older Intel model which still works and still will work for some years to come. So long story short, I won't update soon.

What's more, your user base could grow exponentially by adding support to Intel Macs dating 2017 onwards. There are several very powerful machines there which could benefit from this.

My two cents! Thanks again!

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

Hi ultrazone,

We have plans to bring at least the Radeon 5000 series Mac products through Metal, in fact, we support it internally, it just needs a few functionalities to complete for release... Work in progress!

When it comes to older systems with the 500 Series, it's tough to commit that we'll ever support it since Metal doesn't provide the specific functionality we need for our technology for this old GPU architecture.

May I suggest you upgrade to M1 systems or better since many discounts are available all year? I saw $650 deals at Amazon this year with a passive cooling setup (no fans)!

Hi @ultrazone, I was talking about RX 5000 Series, it's a pre-predecessor of the current gen of the AMD GPU chip. Here is the timeline of the AMD GPU generations.

The difference between the 400/500/600 series and 5000/6000/7000 is that the first is GCN architecture, and the second is RDNA. Our technology works only with RDNA chipsets because of the way AMD's internal toolchain (LLVM, etc) is implemented for Metal, Linux, and Windows. There is nothing much we can do with this.

We have plans to support old Intel Macs, but only those who have RDNA-based chips included (2019-2020 non-M-Silicon Mac systems).

We appreciate your feedback and we'd love to support more devices, but things are complicated, and we depend on the GPU vendor's low-level software and toolchains.

Next year. First, we'll roll out the next VSL product support very soon... Maybe two products, we see more impact for the audience in doing this first. Then we'll dig into the more technical support if it will be still relevant, the least I can say it is currently in the roadmap.

[Hakan Glante]

I’ve been waiting for this (Powerhouse / GPU...), but I’m going to stay on a MacPro7,1 (2019) for a few years hopefully.
I have an AMD Radeon Pro Vega II graphics card.
Will it be supported on Pre-Silicon Macs?
When, and if, it is being supported I will buy Powerhouse right away!

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi again!

Makes perfect sense now, forgot the more recent 5000 series and thought you were talking about the ancient 5000. So it looks like upgrading graphics to 6000 series is the way to go...

Any approximate date on when will 6000 series be supported?

Thanks @Sasha T !

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi Sasha-T!

Maybe I got it wrong, but Radeon 5000 series date back to 2010-2011, whereas 500 series were introduced in 2017. So why supporting a 2010's era graphic card and not a more recent and powerful graphic card such as 500 series? By the way, 500 series are present in many supported Intel Macs.

Of course I would like to update to an M1/M2/M3 Mac, but I own an older Intel model which still works and still will work for some years to come. So long story short, I won't update soon.

What's more, your user base could grow exponentially by adding support to Intel Macs dating 2017 onwards. There are several very powerful machines there which could benefit from this.

My two cents! Thanks again!

@Sasha-T said:

@ultrazone said:

Hi there!

I was wondering if there are plans to support Vienna Power House over Intel Macs with dedicated and/or integrated graphics. I'm currently using a 2017's iMac with a Radeon Pro 580.

Thanks in advance!

Hi ultrazone,

We have plans to bring at least the Radeon 5000 series Mac products through Metal, in fact, we support it internally, it just needs a few functionalities to complete for release... Work in progress!

When it comes to older systems with the 500 Series, it's tough to commit that we'll ever support it since Metal doesn't provide the specific functionality we need for our technology for this old GPU architecture.

May I suggest you upgrade to M1 systems or better since many discounts are available all year? I saw $650 deals at Amazon this year with a passive cooling setup (no fans)!

Hi @ultrazone, I was talking about RX 5000 Series, it's a pre-predecessor of the current gen of the AMD GPU chip. Here is the timeline of the AMD GPU generations.

The difference between the 400/500/600 series and 5000/6000/7000 is that the first is GCN architecture, and the second is RDNA. Our technology works only with RDNA chipsets because of the way AMD's internal toolchain (LLVM, etc) is implemented for Metal, Linux, and Windows. There is nothing much we can do with this.

We have plans to support old Intel Macs, but only those who have RDNA-based chips included (2019-2020 non-M-Silicon Mac systems).

We appreciate your feedback and we'd love to support more devices, but things are complicated, and we depend on the GPU vendor's low-level software and toolchains.

Next year. First, we'll roll out the next VSL product support very soon... Maybe two products, we see more impact for the audience in doing this first. Then we'll dig into the more technical support if it will be still relevant, the least I can say it is currently in the roadmap.

[Sasha T]

Hi @H_kan Gl_nte, unfortunately, Vega 2 is AMD GCN5 architecture, which is not properly supported in Metal, so it's a no 😞

[Hakan Glante]

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

[Sasha T]

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP797?viewlocale=en_US

From what I can see here, we might support:

- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6900X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X Duo and maybe AMD Radeon Pro W6600X.

I can't give you the deadlines for the AMD support for Mac OS X / Metal for now, but we might support those GPUs, at least on paper.

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:
MacPro7,1 (2019)

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

[nostaller]

Hi Sasha, what about the Radeon Pro W5XXX Series. Are those also supported or might there be any chance to add support for GPU Audio purpose ? Cheers ! nostaller

@Sasha-T said:

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP797?viewlocale=en_US

From what I can see here, we might support:

- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6900X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X Duo and maybe AMD Radeon Pro W6600X.

I can't give you the deadlines for the AMD support for Mac OS X / Metal for now, but we might support those GPUs, at least on paper.

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:
MacPro7,1 (2019)

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

[nostaller]

@nostaller said:

Hi Sasha, what about the Radeon Pro W5XXX Series. Are those also supported or might there be any chance to add support for GPU Audio purpose ?

I also see that Amd has Pro Edition and Adrenalin Edition drivers. In any case, if support will exist, it would be great to know which driver would be suited best for GPU Audio for the ADM Pro Series Drivers. Thanks !Cheers ! nostaller

@Sasha-T said:

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP797?viewlocale=en_US

From what I can see here, we might support:

- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6900X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X Duo and maybe AMD Radeon Pro W6600X.

I can't give you the deadlines for the AMD support for Mac OS X / Metal for now, but we might support those GPUs, at least on paper.

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:
MacPro7,1 (2019)

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

[Sasha T]

@nostaller said:

Hi Sasha, what about the Radeon Pro W5XXX Series. Are those also supported or might there be any chance to add support for GPU Audio purpose ? Cheers ! nostaller

@Sasha-T said:

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP797?viewlocale=en_US

From what I can see here, we might support:

- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6900X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X Duo and maybe AMD Radeon Pro W6600X.

I can't give you the deadlines for the AMD support for Mac OS X / Metal for now, but we might support those GPUs, at least on paper.

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:
MacPro7,1 (2019)

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

5XXX is on the edge between 'yes' and 'no'. It's the first RDNA architecture, so we support it for Windows but AMD doesn't have a driver issued yet 😊. When it comes to the Mac series, the same goes for Metal / Mac OS X dependencies and they also have some features support. Right now I don't have any details but I think we might circle back to it later next year.

[nostaller]

OK Cool, so how do I know AMD releases RDNA support for its windows drivers ? Is it simply called RDNA support in their changelog or do use other terminology? Thanks

@Sasha-T said:

@nostaller said:

Hi Sasha, what about the Radeon Pro W5XXX Series. Are those also supported or might there be any chance to add support for GPU Audio purpose ? Cheers ! nostaller

@Sasha-T said:

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP797?viewlocale=en_US

From what I can see here, we might support:

- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6900X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X Duo and maybe AMD Radeon Pro W6600X.

I can't give you the deadlines for the AMD support for Mac OS X / Metal for now, but we might support those GPUs, at least on paper.

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:
MacPro7,1 (2019)

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

5XXX is on the edge between 'yes' and 'no'. It's the first RDNA architecture, so we support it for Windows but AMD doesn't have a driver issued yet 😊. When it comes to the Mac series, the same goes for Metal / Mac OS X dependencies and they also have some features support. Right now I don't have any details but I think we might circle back to it later next year.

[Sasha T]

@nostaller said:

OK Cool, so how do I know AMD releases RDNA support for its windows drivers ? Is it simply called RDNA support in their changelog or do use other terminology? Thanks

@Sasha-T said:

@nostaller said:

Hi Sasha, what about the Radeon Pro W5XXX Series. Are those also supported or might there be any chance to add support for GPU Audio purpose ? Cheers ! nostaller

@Sasha-T said:

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP797?viewlocale=en_US

From what I can see here, we might support:

- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6900X;
- AMD Radeon Pro W6800X Duo and maybe AMD Radeon Pro W6600X.

I can't give you the deadlines for the AMD support for Mac OS X / Metal for now, but we might support those GPUs, at least on paper.

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:
MacPro7,1 (2019)

@H_kan-Gl_nte said:

Thanks Sasha!

Can you recommend a graphics card that’s compatible with my MacPro7,1 and supports the coming Intel version of Vienna Power House?

5XXX is on the edge between 'yes' and 'no'. It's the first RDNA architecture, so we support it for Windows but AMD doesn't have a driver issued yet 😊. When it comes to the Mac series, the same goes for Metal / Mac OS X dependencies and they also have some features support. Right now I don't have any details but I think we might circle back to it later next year.

@nostaller, they usually refer to the architecture one way or another (RDNA/RDNA2/RDNA3 etc or gfx902, gfx909 etc).

[nostaller]

Thanks will be lookinging forward for an update.