Importing Logic using VI into Dorico

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello

I have been trying to import a Logic piece into Dorico.

Most of the instrument are VI instruments in Logic.

I have tried Midi import, Dorico takes each pattern as an instrument ! it is not usable !

I have tried to use XML import, the result is better except on the "Conductor view" ; also Dorico is missing instruments names and of course the Instrument selected in the VI player (see attached of the XML import))

Is there is a solution? a tutorial ?

Thanks in advance for your help

Best

Cyril

[Bill]

I think you'd want to ask this on the Dorico forum...

[Cyril Blanc]

Hi Bill

Thanks, I already did !

They like to talk about Cubase problem, not Logic as Cubase and Dorico are both from Steinberg

The problem is improving using XML import, but you lose all the VI affectation and all the track names because I use VI in Logic

Is that one feature that is already in XML ? in Midi 2 ? That is the question ? 😀

Is there is an XML specialist at VSL that can narrow down the problem, indicating who as to do the work, VSL, Logic or Dorico

For me it looks like that VSL is not giving to Logic the name of the instrument so Logic can provide it in the XML export routine

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@Bill said:

I think you'd want to ask this on the Dorico forum...

[Erisno]

Hi Cyril,

The XML file only preserves notation data and (also should preserve) track name data. In other words, XML doesn't care what plugin instrument you have loaded on the track.

Reading the Steinberg forum, I see that people are experiencing issues when importing XML files from Logic to Dorico. So I'm afraid that this is an issue either somewhere in Logic not exporting the track names correctly or Dorico not importing the XML file correctly. Maybe exporting MIDI from Logic and importing it to Dorico instead will give you better results.

Also when importing large orchestral scores, you might need to change the size of your layout in Dorico:
https://steinberg.help/dorico/v1/en/dorico/topics/engrave_mode/engrave_mode_page_layouts_paper_size_changing_t.html

Best,
Erik

[Cyril Blanc]

Hi Erik

Thank you very much for your answer.

The help in Dorico need to be improved ! I have spend an hour to find the "Layout options"

I have manage to change the page size, and I have set it to 1000 mm to be able to edit the "Conductor" !!!!!!!!!!

I have import as midi and I get all the instrument names

The things to do in Logic is to select all the track and to apply Function / Name region to cell name

In Dorico you need to group the pattern to one player, it's a long work !

I have defined to use VI synchronized, the problem is that there is no Drum instrument ; how do I add them ?

Can I use Mir Pro in Dorico ?

Do you have a turorial of VSL used in Dorico ?

Thank you again for your time

Best

Cyril

@Erisno said:

Hi Cyril,

The XML file only preserves notation data and (also should preserve) track name data. In other words, XML doesn't care what plugin instrument you have loaded on the track.

Reading the Steinberg forum, I see that people are experiencing issues when importing XML files from Logic to Dorico. So I'm afraid that this is an issue either somewhere in Logic not exporting the track names correctly or Dorico not importing the XML file correctly. Maybe exporting MIDI from Logic and importing it to Dorico instead will give you better results.

Also when importing large orchestral scores, you might need to change the size of your layout in Dorico:
https://steinberg.help/dorico/v1/en/dorico/topics/engrave_mode/engrave_mode_page_layouts_paper_size_changing_t.html

Best,
Erik

[mducharme]

Some of these questions to do with import you need to ask in the Dorico forum. But knowing how to reduce the staff size based on how many staves your score has is a basic type of thing that you should already know before attempting something advanced like importing MusicXML into the software. You don't need to increase the page size so that it will only print on super giant pieces of paper, you have to reduce the staff/space size in the Layout Options. If you had spent the time to go through the Dorico "First Steps" guide, strongly recommended for new users, you should already be familiar with this (https://steinberg.help/dorico_first_steps/v5/en/dorico_first_steps/topics/first_steps_layout_formatting/first_steps_staff_size_changing_t.html), but obviously you have not.

Importing MusicXML is tricky and comes with its own problems, so you should already be pretty advanced in using Dorico before you first try bringing over MusicXML. The reason for this is that when MusicXML is brought in from Dorico, it often contains very weird settings that override what Dorico normally does, and then you'll start asking questions like "why does this show up wrong?" and meanwhile it shows up just fine in a newly created score, and the problem is caused by the MusicXML. Go through the first steps guide, it takes like 2 or 3 hours and you will learn a ton. Or, ignore that advice and waste another 10 hours trying to do things that you would have learned in a couple hours with the first steps guide, it is up to you.

I know you claim to have asked in the Steinberg Dorico forum, but I can't find your post on the Dorico forum in all of the searching I did. I only searched back through the last few months, because I assumed that you must have asked recently. There's a huge number of people on that forum who use Logic, so saying they wouldn't help you because it is not Cubase doesn't make any sense to me.

It is possible to use MIR Pro in Dorico. The best way is to use it in VE Pro (Vinne Ensemble Pro) and to use VE Pro in Dorico.

@Cyril-Blanc said:

[Cyril Blanc]

As I am French I am also on the French Dorico Forum in Facebook

Did you look to the screen copy I have post at the beginning

It's not a quator piece, it's 74 instruments piece

Look at it, zoom is at 25 %

I have a lot of work to do so it's look better and there is a bit less instruments :

• Merge drum instrument
• Chord on Horn need to be splited
• Strings chords need to be merged and split
• Choir need to be merged
• ........
  

  

@mducharme said:

Some of these questions to do with import you need to ask in the Dorico forum. But knowing how to reduce the staff size based on how many staves your score has is a basic type of thing that you should already know before attempting something advanced like importing MusicXML into the software. You don't need to increase the page size so that it will only print on super giant pieces of paper, you have to reduce the staff/space size in the Layout Options. If you had spent the time to go through the Dorico "First Steps" guide, strongly recommended for new users, you should already be familiar with this (https://steinberg.help/dorico_first_steps/v5/en/dorico_first_steps/topics/first_steps_layout_formatting/first_steps_staff_size_changing_t.html), but obviously you have not.

Importing MusicXML is tricky and comes with its own problems, so you should already be pretty advanced in using Dorico before you first try bringing over MusicXML. The reason for this is that when MusicXML is brought in from Dorico, it often contains very weird settings that override what Dorico normally does, and then you'll start asking questions like "why does this show up wrong?" and meanwhile it shows up just fine in a newly created score, and the problem is caused by the MusicXML. Go through the first steps guide, it takes like 2 or 3 hours and you will learn a ton. Or, ignore that advice and waste another 10 hours trying to do things that you would have learned in a couple hours with the first steps guide, it is up to you.

I know you claim to have asked in the Steinberg Dorico forum, but I can't find your post on the Dorico forum in all of the searching I did. I only searched back through the last few months, because I assumed that you must have asked recently. There's a huge number of people on that forum who use Logic, so saying they wouldn't help you because it is not Cubase doesn't make any sense to me.

It is possible to use MIR Pro in Dorico. The best way is to use it in VE Pro (Vinne Ensemble Pro) and to use VE Pro in Dorico.

@Cyril-Blanc said:

[mducharme]

Yes, I assume you're using per-articulation tracks, so things like violins 1 legato, violins 1 stacccato, violins 1 pizzicato on different tracks, and that is why you have this crazy number of tracks. I do not use Logic, but as a user of other DAWs I have some suggestions that might make this easier potentially:

• You could try to reorganize your workflow in Logic for fewer tracks, by using articulation sets. Then when you export MusicXML from Logic there won't be as much.
• You could try to figure out if it is possible to get Logic to automatically merge different tracks together in the Logic notation - as long as the Logic notation view shows the merged tracks and not the individual ones, then maybe you can bring fewer tracks into Dorico using MusicXML without changing your workflow in Logic.
• You could try to instead use MIDI import in Dorico, where Dorico's MIDI import wizard allows you to auto amalagamate different tracks - for instance, you can tell Dorico which track of the MIDI is "violins 1 legato", which is "violins 1 staccato", which is "violins 1 pizzicato" and it is supposed to merge these three automatically into a single stave with the proper slurs, staccato and pizzicato markings. I have not tried this feature myself, but it exists.

@Cyril-Blanc said:

It's not a quator piece, it's 74 instruments piece

[Cyril Blanc]

Hello mducharm

It is very rare that I have a track by articulations. I use a lot of the "Perf Leg" of the VI instrument.

The number of tracks is increasing specially for the choir as to have a good sound you need to use many AU.

For the drum kit you need to seperate each instrument to pan them and merge them to a bus so you do not have a 13 drummers playing one istrument in your venue.😀

I also use quite a few Kontakt and a few synth

When I import Midi to Dorico I have one instrument per patttern so I have more tha 300 instrument to merge at the import. It is not the case with XML but I loose all the instruments name.

My conclusion today is you need a Logic piece for playing, another one for Dorico.

I will use the Score in Logic to secure my music it with the Sacem and will prepare another version for Dorico if my piece will be play by a real orchestra.

It's a pity that the score in Logic is not a bit better. There answer is "buy a notation software"

@mducharme said:

Yes, I assume you're using per-articulation tracks, so things like violins 1 legato, violins 1 stacccato, violins 1 pizzicato on different tracks, and that is why you have this crazy number of tracks. I do not use Logic, but as a user of other DAWs I have some suggestions that might make this easier potentially:

• You could try to reorganize your workflow in Logic for fewer tracks, by using articulation sets. Then when you export MusicXML from Logic there won't be as much.

• You could try to figure out if it is possible to get Logic to automatically merge different tracks together in the Logic notation - as long as the Logic notation view shows the merged tracks and not the individual ones, then maybe you can bring fewer tracks into Dorico using MusicXML without changing your workflow in Logic.

• You could try to instead use MIDI import in Dorico, where Dorico's MIDI import wizard allows you to auto amalagamate different tracks - for instance, you can tell Dorico which track of the MIDI is "violins 1 legato", which is "violins 1 staccato", which is "violins 1 pizzicato" and it is supposed to merge these three automatically into a single stave with the proper slurs, staccato and pizzicato markings. I have not tried this feature myself, but it exists.

@Cyril-Blanc said:

It's not a quator piece, it's 74 instruments piece