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  • Dimension strings and Finale

    Hi! 
    I've encountered some problems with Finale and Synchron Dimension Strings and by using key switches: It seems that the SDS responds different compare to other VSL string libraries (synchronised SE) and sometimes it doesn't even recognize the dynamic markings. Question: Is there a special key switch map to be loaded in Finale's preferences, instead of the VSL - SYzd Special Edition key switch map? 


  • Hello Anders!

    The SYzd Special Edition Human Playback Preferences only work with our SYNCHRON-ized Special Edition libraries. They don't work with any other library. If you want to use SYNCHRON-ized Dimension Strings with Finale, you could use the keyswitch dump file that we provide for changing articulations. This file can be downloaded with Vienna Assistant under Additionals/Notation.

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi, 

    and thanks, Andi!


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    @andi said:

    Hello Anders!

    The SYzd Special Edition Human Playback Preferences only work with our SYNCHRON-ized Special Edition libraries. They don't work with any other library. If you want to use SYNCHRON-ized Dimension Strings with Finale, you could use the keyswitch dump file that we provide for changing articulations. This file can be downloaded with Vienna Assistant under Additionals/Notation.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Hi again, 
    I guess it is the library called ¨Finale 25-27: Keyswitch Dump for all VSL libraries ¨ that I have to download? 
    Best, 
    Anders 


  • Hi Anders!

    Yes, that's the one that I ment.

    Best,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi Andi, 
    I downloaded the key switch library, but the playback performance of the piece (for string quartet) I'm working on became even more strange: the piano become forte and all the playing technique were weird, long notes marcato instead of short notes with short detachés. It got all mixed up! Maybe I should use something else than the Vel.XF Sus? 

    Best, 

    Anders 


  • Make sure that Finale and the Synchron Player are using the same middle C. If I remember correctly, Finale uses C4 and Synchron uses C3


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  • Hi Bill! 
    Well, that's is not the issue here, and when I checked both Finale and Synchron uses the same c4 as middle C. 

    Best, 

    Anders 


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    @andi said:

    Hi Anders!

    Yes, that's the one that I ment.

    Best,
    Andi

     

    It must be something wrong with that Keyswitc library, after I checked back the key switch library for Synchronised SE, it was impossible to get any sound from it. It turned out that all note durations were changed, so I have to get it all over again and restoring to its initial values. 
    Hopefully, you'll come up with something useful tip? 
    Is there a difference between the one you recommended and the earlier key switch dump library (from 2012)? Since they both have the same name it's a little confusing maybe for Finale? 

     

    Best, 

    Anders 


  • Hello Anders!

    The keyswitch dump file cannot change note durations. That must come from somewhere else. The file only provides keyswitches for the expression tool. Importing it doesn't do anything with your score or the playback of it.

    Automatic articulation changes come from Human Playback Preferences. So when working with our keyswitch dump file, I would either turn them off or load a set that doesn't interfere with your used libraries.

    To change articulations with help of the key switch dump file, you will have to add the keyswitches manually to your score. For details please refer to the instructions that came with the downloaded file.

    If dynamic marks don't work correctly, please check that the Human Playback Preferences/Dynamics settings match with your dynamics settings in VI Pro and Synchron Player (Velocity and/or VelXF and matching CC).

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi again, Andi! 

    Thanks for your reply! Yes, I guess that the changes were caused by some other error. However, I noticed that loading the library you recommended does not improve anything. So I thought that maybe since I loaded the older Keyswitch dump library and had it installed, I deleted that in the HP-settings and tried to load the recent one you recommended. Strange enough, it didn't got loaded in Finale, even if I followed the instructions carefully. So, now I got only the loaded Keyswitchlibrary for Synchronised SE. Am I doing something wrong here? 

    EDIT: I followed the instructions for KeySwitch for Finale 2014 and managed to get it back in Finale and I did the similar to the one you recommended and it was loaded too, at least I thing it was. However, when I compare the 2014 version and the (eventually) new one, they are identical or am I wrong?

    Best, 

    Anders 

    These are my present settings now: 

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  • Hello Anders!

    The newer version of the keyswitch dump file includes a few more keyswitches that haven't been included in the fisrt version.

    As mentioned earlier, importing the file will not change anything. You have to actively add the switches with the expression tool for sending keyswitches.

    On your screenshot I can see that you are still using the "VSL SYzd Special Edition" Human Playback Preferences. These settings are not compatible with any other library than with the SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions. They are NOT compatible with SYNCHRON-ized Dimension Strings.

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi Andi! 
    Yes, I have the "VSL SYzd Special Edition" loaded since I cannot load the one you recommended! The only one I can load is the 2014 version of F2014_VSL-SE_HumanPlayback_v1. When I try to load the one you recommend, the VSL Keyswitch Dump.lib from October 22 I see the key switches in a new file get loaded but I cannot chose it in the Human Playback Prefs, since it is not present in the menu. 

    What am I doing wrong? Do I have to delete all other Key switches lib.? 

    All the best, 

     

    Anders 


  • It's not a Human Playback perf. These are Expression that show up in the Expression tool

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  • Hi Bill! 

    Please read what I've been discussing about! I know what I'm talking about since I've been working with Finale since 1992. I am referring to Human Playback Prefs. in the Settings and/or Playback Controls menues and nothing else.

    The discussion is about how to load the updated version of the Keyswitch Dumps and the reason why I cannot see it in the HumanPlaybackPrefs and therefore cannot chose nor edit it from the Human Playback prefs window. 

    /Anders 


  • Please listen to what Andi and I are saying....

    The keyswitch dump file has nothing to do with HP. It's am Expression library that you load through the File menu. It allows you to attach keyswitches or CC values to individual notes in your score. You want to turn HP off, or create a blank preferences setting so as not to interfere with the attached keyswitches.


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  • Hi Bill! So the Human Playback in Finale does not work in Dimension Strings, and that it should be turned off? Is that what you and Andi suggests? Then why did it work for me to let change the previous SE Library with solostrings to the Dimension Strings with the Synchronized keyswitches on in a previous composed string octet with good sound but now with a lot of troubles with the new string quartet I’m working on. And today when I opened the String Octet again it sounded weird? I’ll try to turn of the HP by putting its mode to ”None”, that’s right? Then what to do with the loaded Synchronized Keyswitches - delete them? Best, Anders

  • Hello Anders!

    I can only repeat myself, but will try to put it in different words.
    When you are using the SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions, you can work with the "VSL SYzd Special Edition" Human Playback Preferences.
    When you use a different library (such as SYNCHRON-ized Dimension Strings), please either select "None" in the MIDI/Audio/Human Playback menu, or choose the "Default Prefs". You can change articulations by adding key switches with the expression tool. They are included under "Key Switches".

    Does it get clearer now?

    Best regards,
    Andi


    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi Andi, 

    starting to grasp this now.. ;) However, I've encountered a different problem this morning - I can't open VEPro7 any longer! I've mailed about this to the support. 

     

    Sometimes life is complicated... '

     

    All the best, 

    Anders 


  • Hi again Andy and Bill! 

    Just started to work again after I managed to localise the error preventing me to open the VEPro (and the rest of apps) - it was something wrong with the iLok Manager. 
    However, I see now what you mean about the Keyswitch dump as an expression library and starts to wondering if it not possible to construct a HumanPlayback Prefs library suitable for Dimensions strings? Because it's a lot more work to put articulations, playing technique etc. by only using Key switches. Ill will give it a try, since the benefit of the Synchronised Keyswitches and HPPrefs is that it automatically switches between different articulations. 

    Anyway, thanks for your help! 

    Best regards, 

    Anders