Apple Silicon Native Transition

[Paul]

Dear patient VSL Community!

We're starting our rollout for Apple Silicon Native, please find more information in this video!

Best,
Paul

[mushanga]

Hi Paul,

Just to be clear - will the Vienna Instruments Pro player not be ported to native Apple Silicon? So Apple Silicon users who have invested in the VI Collections will always have to use Rosetta?

Thanks

[Paul]

Hi mushanga., 

This has not been decided yet, it depends on technical possibilities that still have to be determined. 

You can, in any case, and as mentioned in the video, use your DAW in Silicon Mode and connect to a Vienna Ensemble Rosetta instance that hosts your VI Pro instances. 

Best, 
Paul

[mushanga]

Hi Paul,

Not quite sure what you mean - running Vienna Ensemble (I assume not the Pro version) still requires Rosetta going by your reply, so how would this be a fully Apple Silicon-native solution?

Thanks

[Paul]

Hi mushanga, 

Working with VE or VE Pro Rosetta versions with VI Pro will NOT be an Apple Silicon-native solution, but it's a workaround that will allow you to work with your DAW and other VSL Silicon software/Silicon 3rd party software in a Silicon environment. 

Best, 
Paul

[fcw]

So, once VE Pro is made Apple Silicon native, which your video has in the first phase of work, does this mean that we'll have to run two separate instances of VE Pro: an AS one for instruments that are already AS native, and a Rosetta one for those, such as VI Pro, that aren't (and may never be)? 

[Paul]

Hi fcw, 

@fcw said:

So, once VE Pro is made Apple Silicon native, which your video has in the first phase of work, does this mean that we'll have to run two separate instances of VE Pro: an AS one for instruments that are already AS native, and a Rosetta one for those, such as VI Pro, that aren't (and may never be)? 

You don't have to, but it sounds like the best option to work as efficiently as possible. There are both server versions available for VE and VE Pro. 

Best, 
Paul

[dbudde]

Does one need a second VE Pro license to run both types of servers on the same machine?  

What about MIR Pro 3D?  Do we need to run two of these at the same time if we want MIR Pro 3D inserted for each instrument in both VE Pro servers?  If so does this require a second license?

[Lofe]

Thank you for the effort and sharing the updates. As a software engineer who used to work for Intel, I can imagine the challenges of rewriting optimized code replacing dependencies on a new HW architecture. VI products have been around for a while. It seems a waste to not update the player. It also pairs well with MIR3D. Even if it take longer, hopefully VI will be updated and be around for a long time. If folks think it’s not going to be updated, few will buy it and it will be a self fulfilling prophecy that VSL sees no value to continue supporting VI Pro.

[Paul]

Hi dbudde, 

It's just like before (remember the 32/64 bit versions of VE Pro?). 

One license per computer 😊. 

Best, 
Paul

[mkiz]

Many, Many thanks for the Apple Silicon Synchron player. This is amazing!

I am having trouble getting the VST3 to trigger sound variation changes in the latest version of Studio One 6 using the apple silicon synchron player on a Mac Studio M1 Ultra. Here is what I am seeing:

1. Load synchron VST3 and the sound variation is automatically available, but does not trigger changes to played sounds

2. Manually load a sound variation file in the VST2 version, and it will trigger changes.

Not sure if I am missing something, but thought I would report this to see if others have the same issue.

[dbudde]

Thanks.  

[Kai]

Although it is great to see that the Apple silicon transition is starting, after such a long time since the M1 release (and countless VI series licenses sold after this point) not even a hint if VI pro will be ported is rather disappointing. Not everyone is using VE pro to rely on the workaround mentioned above (which is not really a native solution anyway).

[Pere]

Hi Paul,

During the iLok upgrade the distinction was made between the Vienna Instruments player and the Vienna Instruments Pro player.  If I recall correctly, the former was ported to iLok and the latter wasn't.

Is there similar distinction for the M1 port?  

Thanks,

Robert

[Sagi]

I was out of the VSL Game for some years and try to get back to the actual status quo and I´m a little bit confused.

I´m on Ventura on a Studio Max now. My plan was to do everything on one machine.

Coming from the VeProSetup, that I used back in 2013-2015 on a second machine (Windows7), I wonder what is the best solution now.

- Should i use my MacPro 2010 as a Slave now? Does it work with my old Mac on Mojave and the Studio Max on Ventura?

- Should I do all on my Studio max now? With Rosetta, native whatever? How fast will there be a limit, when VEPro is not native? 

- Is my old MIR-Engine still useful? I prefer working with VI-Pro. Is this obsolete now?

- Do I need Mir Pro 3d, if I want just to work in Stereo? Are there sound improvements?

Sorry, for being lost. What would you suggest as the best solution.  I want to work with my whole Orchestra on demand again: Symphonic Cube, Dimension-Strings and Brass. 

[Paul]

Hi everybody, 

@Kai: This workaround will always be possible with the free Vienna Ensemble that comes with all our products!

@Pere: We decided to make VI Pro the standard player for all users with iLok. It will stay that way, whether or not we manage to port VI Pro to Silicon or not. 

@Sagi: You should try with your one-computer Studio Max, in my opinion. You can still use your classic MIR, but the upgrade to MIR Pro 3D is available at a great price, with a free 3D RoomPack and reasonable upgrade prices for your other RoomPacks as well. Check it out with free demo licenses, available on the product pages. Handling and sound has been improved with Higher Order Ambisonics, a "denser" calculation of impulses that are also applied when using downmixes to stereo. 

Best, 
Paul 

[Tomboman]

Hi all,

is there any chance you guys will get Vienna Imperial native too? For me it is by far the best piano out there.

I am more than happy to buy a completely new license!
It is (for me) the very only plugin that would be Rosetta forever. Since I use it every I would need a second computer whenever Apple stops supporting Rosetta in a future OS

Or when you release a new piano product, add the Vienna samples as well?

Please find a way, this would be so frustrating for me. Thank you

[Marsdy]

Paul

You mention in the video that VE Pro will have a dual sever architecture that will accommodate both Intel and Apple Silicon. 

Unless I’ve misunderstood what that means, wouldn’t it make more sense to release VE Pro first or at least next? That’s assuming an Apple Silicon VE Pro plug-in could access both Intel/Silicon servers of course.

David 

[FranckD]

@Paul said:

Dear patient VSL Community!

We're starting our rollout for Apple Silicon Native, please find more information in this video!

Best, 
Paul

 

Thank you very much for this communication : it very very welcomed as it gives me more insights about the current situation and what we can expect in the future in particular with the Apple Silicon transition.

[Paul]

Hi, 

I totally understand how valuable VI Pro and also the classic Vienna Imperial can be in a working environment and we are doing our best to investigate what's possible after the transition of the more recent software products. 

Just throwing this in here, before panicking over a possible end of Rosetta 2 in the very long run: There is always Windows, and even if it's just a small machine that holds your VI Pro collections and Imperial.

@Marsdy: You are right, that would be great. It will most probably be Synchron Pianos and MIR Pro before that, we will benefit from all the additional fixes in these software products. 

Best, 
Paul