@jimwine said:

Thanks Dietz! Analytic Dry in dearVR it is for the purest MIR Pro 3D. I had no idea that the Pernegg, Strassengel & Steinhofkirche spaces could be so elegantly enriched by 3D. Talk about a higher dimension. Simply unreal.

You're welcome!

And you're absolutely right: One you got acquainted to 3D audio, going back to stereo is much like watching a 4:3 black-and-white movie today. The music is there, no doubt, but .... 8-)

@jimwine said:

Those cathedral settings are simply awe inspiring.

For actual mixing work I strongly suggest to stick to the scene "Analytic Dry" (or "Analytic Position), though, with Ambience and Focus left untouched at default center position. 😊

My understand is/was that another other than "analytic Dry" or "analytic position" configurations in dearVRmonitor are meant mainly to attempt to recreate what would happen to our mix if were actually playing it back on a 7.1.2 loudspeaker system in that environment.  So my thoughts are that the dry analytic configurations give us the purest ability to position our instruments and really setup our mix exactly as we want it to sound..hearing very purely the MirPro3D imaging...  especially through headphones.  This would also be a pretty close estimate of what would be heard if streamed as Dolby Atmos from Apple Music (into headphones)..  

However, once we are getting to later stages it can also make sense to monitor through, for example, the home-theater configuration...or perhaps cinema configuration, etc.  such that we can still verify that it has not become too reverby when played back for real, in a room that has its own echos also happening.

Some of the other larger venues provided by dearVRmonitor are interesting and may sound nice, but have little usefulness in my mind.  I mean yes you could bounce a final binaural rendition that has dearVR's room ambiences burned into the binaural result, but how are you going to distribute that?  I think mainly the dearVR ambiences should be thought of as available "monitoring environments".  Its an attempt to emulate what would happen if your final mix were played back over loudspeakers in that environment...adding more acoustics.  

I think its unlikely that anyone will ever be playing my symphony #1 over a 7.1.2 loudspeaker system in the middle of a cathedral.  See what I mean?    Use MirPro3D and/or additional FX to make it sound as you want..using the analytic modes for setting up your stage and sounding great, use legitimate target playback environments in order to verify the mix, if its going to be played back in those environments, did not become too much reverb wash., and realistically consider which of those environments even make sense for that.  

Trick for getting dearVRmonitor for nice price, sign up for Plugin Alliance "Forever29" plan.  This charges you $29/month and each month you can buy any of their plugins for $1 that you want.  You can sign up and cancel at any time.  So basically you can sign up, pay the first month for $29 and you will immediately get $1 coupon to buy dearVRmonitor for $1 more.  Total =$30.  After that you can actually cancel the plan if you want and no worry about it again.  I plan to also stay on the plan a couple months to get a couple other things I have in mind, but anyway, $29 for dearVRmonitor is an absolute steal.  If you don't want to do that, PA is selling it on sale straight up right now for $149.

I feel that dearVRmonitor is also doing really nice things with hits headphone correction, using that with my current headphones smoothed out the sound incredibly...  Without that it sounds very similar as the the built in Dolby binaural renderer honestly, but with the headphone correction, its really really nice...I guess that correction is giving a linear response, if you have one of their supported models.

So Plugin Alliance run a "Father Christmas" business model now? Do please tell us more about your "trick" for picking up a DearVR Monitor so cheaply, Dewdman. Specifically, tell us how you get around clause 12 in PA's Terms of Service, i.e.:-

"... Upon cancellation of your Subscription, you will no longer be charged for additional Subscription Terms, and you may continue to use the Plugin for the remaining Subscription Term for which you were charged."

Seems to me that when your final month expires, so will DearVR Monitor's licence. Not such a "steal" after all, uh?

Plugin Alliance have been around a long time and I regard them as shrewd operators. You think they can be "gamed" that easily?

gamed?  I think not.  They routinely sell their plugins for this kind of low price on various sales.  This is just another way for them to do that.  They choose to do this for their own commercial benefit.  That being said, when i get a chance I will look at the FAQ again to make sure I am not the one that got gamed heheheh but I don't think so...

This is what their forever plan says:

@Another User said:

• This way you grow your PA Collection, one by one, and if you stop the monthly plan you keep all the plugins you have already purchased. Forever!

I don't think that means it ends when you stop the subscription, I think it means you keep the purchases forever.  Its just a way for them to sell to me more plugins then I probably would otherwise get by inducing it each month.  I even saw an FAQ comment that once they send you the $1 coupon, you can save it and use it in the future if you don't use it now, even if you canceled the forever29 plan by then.

You are confusing the forever29 plan with some of their other mega plans that let you use all their plugins from a subscription fee, but the forever29 plan is something different and indeed it works out to $30 per plugin, keep the license forever. It is more like a stock option.  You are paying a subscription for the right to buy one plugin per month at $30.  

Ask them directly in plain language. And tell us what they say. I think you're in for a disappointment.

The FAQs aren't the legal stuff. You need to look at the Terms of Service.

I'm not worried about it.  A lot of people are getting great results with this plan.  Its your choice to take advantage of the offer or not.  By the way, PA are offering this plan because they want to make money, and its not helpful to them for you to talk people out of it with false information.  In my view you are wading into a bad territory spreading false claims about a commercial offering.  VSL mods should take note.  Please go away and stop trashing yet another thread with your pettiness.

Here is the page for the forever29 plan for anyone that is interested:  https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/pa_forever_29.html

I have already purchased dearVRmonitor with it and loving it with MirPro3D, I can't even imagine mixing MirPro3D without it at this point.  

I say again, you need to look at the Terms of Service.

I don't care what you can or can't convince yourself of. I do care about the risk of members of this forum being led up the garden path ..... again. Thanks anyway for your "confession. by projection".

Everyone is free to make their own choice.  I think you are completely wrong in your assumptions and this is a great way to get dearVRmonitor at a killer price.

I also asked dearReality directly if there is any difference between the version they sell on their website for $250 and the version being sold at PA, and they told me that although they would love for me to buy it directly from them for $250, there is zero difference and in fact when they sell a license directly they re-route the user to PA for it...so PA is really their main distributor...and for whatever the reason...PA is offering $30 deals on a regular basis.  High recommend dearVRmonitor for use with MirPro3D and also if you don't want to spend the high retail price, look out for PA sales...including the forever29 sale.

I'm calling your bluff. Get the word from Plugin Alliance and show it here. Then we'll all know if your "trick" is a "steal" or not.

And if you can't bring yourself to approach PA to get to the truth of the matter, I'll do it. And if I have to do it, be assured, I won't spare your blushes when I report the facts you don't want to know.